[Chantelle]

Wow a flyer!!

Come on I tried to offer a balaned view and your giving me adverts

Like it or not it gives alot of reasons why the mac is better.

When i get home and have a sit down and a bit of research.
As to be honest, i really don't believe that mac are not suited for business.

In fact, im sitting here behind an iMac, in a room of 10+ people on macs. So im sitting in a business using macs, very, very successfully, and being told they dont work.
I think chan you've stayed to long in an office that uses PC's.
Major companies have deals with microsoft and other pc suppliers for their broadband, computers, and computer repair. And lets be honest here. PC's are fine for business. But at the end of the day, Macs are beter for almost anything other then gaming and "voice mixing" (thanks for that pho... not)

Will post again later in more detail

No we have linux, Windows and OS x here

cheers
I am not telling you they dont work

I am saying you cant get the same infastructure on a corportare Networking enviromnet

As per previous post

I said small networking without domain would be fine..

[Melissa]

Wow a flyer!!

Come on I tried to offer a balaned view and your giving me adverts

Like it or not it gives alot of reasons why the mac is better.

When i get home and have a sit down and a bit of research.
As to be honest, i really don't believe that mac are not suited for business.

In fact, im sitting here behind an iMac, in a room of 10+ people on macs. So im sitting in a business using macs, very, very successfully, and being told they dont work.
I think chan you've stayed to long in an office that uses PC's.
Major companies have deals with microsoft and other pc suppliers for their broadband, computers, and computer repair. And lets be honest here. PC's are fine for business. But at the end of the day, Macs are beter for almost anything other then gaming and "voice mixing" (thanks for that pho... not)

Will post again later in more detail

What a load of shite

Your making shit up putting words into peoples mouths and not listening to what others have said


Wake up!!!

Listen



You



Are


Out

of

Your

Depth


You do not know what these things are etc active directory, contiguous forests trees etc...

She has given a balaned view, where there are advantages and disadvanatages

Your postings fanboyism nonsense

Your embarressing yourself.. Just accept it. You are arguing with a profeesional with baseless knowledge..

And your going to do some googling to try and counter it... no come back when you actually know something about it all....

some of the points in your "flyer" have alot of merit..

some are .. well void??

Oh and for teh record CAD isnt just software its hardware and theres alot to it than that


All my machines on the factory are ran off CAD data driven machines.




This argument goes on indefinateley because there are advanatges to both systems.


But then there are ignorant idiots on Windows lovers and Mac lovers side who just make a fool of themselves with absolute shite.

[Melissa]

OKay two words, or more

ACTIVE DIRECTORY
CAD
SAN / NAS
WAN
EXCHANGE

Fuck me I have worked along side one of the biggest software corps worldwide and some real long time freelance engineers. They do all sorts even for Macs.

Yet

They are all talking shite as Darko has spoken.

I dont care what reseach you can Google.. I know my job and what I am talking about. Edit: further more youll find sites taht say anuthing you want to pro one thing.. Its the reality where it counts.

Your flyer points say stuff like core duo etc etc.. is that a plus point? can we not get these on other systems.. or burn DVDS? come on

yes Macs have plus points I said that but there are plus points for Linux and Windows.

Just accept it each as its own pros and cons

Save your breath...

He will argue black is white if apple say so..

[Phoenix]

Not they're not

on a small network without a domain they may equal a PC at best..

But again the software and compatability could go against them so its swings and round abouts


Big business, forget it.

THis argument comes up time and time again, I always try to keep a balanced view point

However alot of thinsg people post are biased fanboyisms

I'd have to side with Darko on this one. I think Mac's work perfectly in a business environment however large the organisations ICT infrastructure. To be honest I think its using whatever operating system best suits your needs.

For example, the company www.holidayextras.co.uk. Their complete ICT infrastructure is all running on Macs. I'm sure there are other examples, but this is a company i've had first hand experience with.

Also as your probably well aware, its possible to run a virtual PC running an Windows OS inside the Mac. That way any programs that you may need to use that are strictly windows based you are able to easily run while still benefiting from the speed and secruity Mac provides.

Personally, i'm not a Mac hater, or Windows lover. My view is, that you use whatever operating system best suits your needs whatever that maybe.

Pho~

Sorry Andy

Your very wrong

Mac doesnt have an Active directory or anything like its structure. they do not cater for mass sites and services.

yes you can take some businesses where it will work okay.

Like them or not, Apple simply do have any answer to that co orporate infactstructure

A lot of businesses couldnt move to Apple, it couldnt structure the network, they would not have anywhere near the services they require.

It is a totally different concept.

I have now worked in this industry for 7 years with other people who work in this for over 30 years varing back to old Cobol systems and *nix. Most of these people wouldnt even consider a Mac in a corporate environment.

Novell is the closest youll get to a competitor..

As I said originally Chan, i'm neither a Windows lover or a Mac hater and nor to I pretend to know that I know exactly what i'm talking about. I do however understand the concept of active directories and your right, it's not possible to achieve the same on a Mac as you can on a Windows based PC- certainly not in the same way.

As i'm coming from a completely neutral perspective and having worked with a company for 3 weeks, and seeing nothing but white Macs for the duration of the 3 weeks, I was a little confused when you said that Macs don't run well in a business environment. HolidayExtras aren't exactly a small business and i'd say they had upwards of 800 Macs within the building all networked.

They got around the problem of needing a windows based PC for certain programs by running a virtual PC within the Mac.

Personally I believe that too many people are trying to put the Microsoft Networking Infrastructure into a Mac environment which clearly isn't going to work and maybe your right, you aren't going to get the same performance from a Mac perspective when it comes to the ICT infrastucture. But still it leads me back to my original point, that you should be using whatever operating system that best suits your needs. So in the case of a business, you should be matching the business to the operating system rather then the operating system to the business.

Andy~

[saunby]

Heh this sure has turned into a war lol.

Personally I use and like windows, always have, probably change in the future though, since they both have their advantages, I mean Im interested in designing things a lot so I mean, a Mac would be perfect for me tbh, but I dont have the money for one, pretty much the main reason. Darko Pointed out the fact about viruses for windows compared to Mac's (pretty much the only reason that stuck in my brain lol) but, one of the reasons behind this is because the majority of the population run on windows, thus making a virus more successful, virus makers would rather cause a lot of havoc on windows than a little bit of annoyance amongst Mac users.

At the end of the day my opinion is that they both have advantages/disadvantages and thus, neither are superior to each other, it is also a matter (as Pho said already I think) of what you like and are more comfortable, someone who does not like Mac's for what they are but prefer windows does so because its just their personal opinion.

[Darko]

O Kay two words, or more

ACTIVE DIRECTORY
CAD
SAN / NAS
WAN
EXCHANGE

Fuck me I have worked along side one of the biggest software corps worldwide and some real long time freelance engineers. They do all sorts even for Macs.

Yet

They are all talking shit as Darko has spoken.

I don't care what research you can Google.. I know my job and what I am talking about. Edit: further more you'll find sites that say anything you want to pro one thing.. Its the reality where it counts.

Your flyer points say stuff like core duo etc etc.. is that a plus point? can we not get these on other systems.. or burn DVDS? come on

yes Macs have plus points I said that but there are plus points for Linux and Windows.

Just accept it each as its own pros and cons

It is patently clear that you know F*** all about Macs, which is hardly surprising! and not a personal failin on your part - I dare say. Sure you are a PC guru, so what. PC gurus know nothing about macs, they live in their own PC world, buried up to their necks in the endless trouble that Windows PCs generate.
Macs are on a different planet when it comes to networking. CAD on Macs is now very competitive with that on PC and the other attempts you make at bamboozling people with your SAN / NAS waffle is not worth the paper it's not written on. Lots of Windows users who know what they are doing steer well clear of NAS on Windows and use Linux based systems anyway, and the other crap you mention are not plus points for Windows, just differentiating points. There is a BIG difference - but you don't seem to grasp that.

Windows is a cobbled together piece of crap culminating in the king of all crap, VISTA !! that hangs, crashes and blasts it's way through the budgets of companies all over the world, creating massive income for consultants who wouldn't be able to make a living if their clients had Macs, because Macs don't need 10% of the support that windows PCs need ! That is the big truth art the heart of the prejudice that most so called PC experts exhibit. MONEY is at the heart of it all.

The reason why most businesses don't go Mac is out of fear of the unknown, fear of risk. And they then listen to 'experts' like you who spout this kind of nonsense - not out of any actual knowledge, but out of outdated old wives tales, not out of any factual knowledge or experience. It has nothing to do with the quality of the Mac or it's actual capability.

The percentage of the market held by Mac is growing fast in the last 18 months and if you add that to the progress of Linux and similar systems as well as the move toward open sources across governmental systems worldwide, Windows is starting to hurt, along with the 'experts' that have leeched off Windows clients for years.

[Chantelle]

We have Macs at work I said I liek them

I work not with Just PCs

I am an Engineer for the network and all administration

NAS SAN not worth the paper its written on?? LOL you dont even know what it is


CAD on a Mac? your having a laugh.. they cannot even support the hardware


Fuck me your a moron

I have worked in this trade for years

This conversation is over


Come back in 10 years when you learn what your on about

PS read what I said about Macs


PS linux is PC thats what we comparing right?


Your talking shite

I cant believe I am arguing with a 16 year old moron

This conversation is as stated over

[Phoenix]

Guys, please lets keep this insult free.

Darko, we all know the Chan knows her stuff and shes far from stupid. Shes almost had more experience in industry then we have been on this earth- so please don't publically insult her, because that's really not on.

I do however agree with some of the points that Darko has made. Macs are on a completely different level to Windows based PC's which is why it makes it so difficult to compare the two. They both have advantages and disadvantages and each are stronger in certain fields. I have no doubt that Windows based PC's have a better networking infrastructure, but I don't think that Macs by any means fail when it comes to networking.

VISTA !! that hangs, crashes and blasts it's way through the budgets of companies all over the world.

For a start, Vista is one of the most stable operating systems Microsoft has released. The facts prove that through and through.
Also it generally costs companies more money to invest in a Mac based environment then a Windows based one. The reliability of both Macs and Windows based PC's and the cost to maintain them is negotiable, but not really relevant.
Another thing regarding Vista, is that very very few companies have upgraded their networks to the new operating system. This is largely to do with the cost, but also because there is still a long way to go for Vista before it's a worthy competitor of the Windows Server range of operating system.

Hopefully, we can keep this topic insult free because I am actually enjoying people sharing their opinions. I don't want to be forced to lock it.

Andy~

[Phoenix]

Topic locked.