[Blaboobee]

Hey all,


Link to relevant screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/DB79u


Xanatos, bosco, and I were staff kicking Uscari around relentlessly. Admittedly an annoying experience to go through lmao. Crouching seems to be universally acknowledged amongst experienced players as an easy way to avoid getting kicked. Uscari endured getting staff kicked for 15-20 min until he finally crouched. I said "oh no, the AI discovered crouching" as a joke because of how he so stoically seemed to take the constant kicking from 3 staffers.

Uscari seemed to interpret this in a very hostile manner. He said "I hope that wasn't condescending" or something along those lines.

I responded "shame tone is so hard to detect over text." This was genuinely my way of saying that I didn't mean it was condescending. My voice inflection IRL would have given it away that it was a joke. It's a well-known problem that tone over text is pretty hard to decipher which is why people generally feel the need to include smiley's (I guess I can see the wisdom behind that now.) Uscari seemed to interpret this as something worth silencing (I'm not sure exactly what rule justifies this as a silence if anyone can clue me in). And, without further inquiry or dialogue, he silenced me for 3 minutes.

Once unsilenced I inquired about why the "shame tone is so hard to detect over text" is worth a 3 minute silence. He didn't really answer my question besides referring to something that had happened over an hour earlier when I told Madon to "stfu" for pretending to have been in KR, JAWA, and ess.

At some point in the conversation he started provoking me saying I definitely made a mistake and that I'm not mature enough to recognize it. Again, I'm very unaware as to what rule warranted my silencing when I said "shame tone is so hard to detect over text."

I would understand a misinterpretation, whereupon clarified, Uscari would acknowledge that the message didn't warrant a silence. Instead, he refused to be transparent about his reasoning, refused to acknowledge that I didn't mean it in a condescending way, and proceeded to call me immature and declare it my mistake.

Link to Relevant Screenshot #2: https://imgur.com/a/q4QwO




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Disclaimer: I am not attempting to stir the drama pot with this post. I genuinely don't think my actions warranted a silence. I am not advocating for any punitive action against Uscari. He's basically the best admin on the KR server. I just hope he sees this wasn't the right thing to do.

[JADED]

i saw the whole thing!!!!!

[Uscari]

I would actually like to thank Blaboobee for taking the time to bring his concerns on these forums. It's quite rare for any of my critics to submit their complaints in the light of day, where it can be reviewed by professionals, and rendered a verdict. I think topics like these help keep admins on their toes, and despite having never been reported myself until now, I happen to value the discipline it forces me to have.

I can prove without a shadow of a doubt that my use of admin was entirely justified and not abusive. Blaboobee, after listening to Madon speak for some time, Blaboobee provoked Madon by telling him to shut up, bypassed the filter, and flamed him. These three charges alone easily justify a silence under KR admin procedure, but being the understanding person I am, I let him off with a warning, and reminded him that any more infractions would result in a silence.

Later, Blaboobee, while playing in an ffa, exclaimed "Help, the AI learned how to crouch", after ganging up on me with 2 other staffers to spam kick me for roughly 15-20 minutes. At this very moment I already had every right to interpret that comment as a condescending remark aimed at denigrating my skill/intelligence. But once again, trying to be understanding, I offered Blaboobee an opportunity to assure me he meant no disrespect, instead of taking that oppurtunity, he vaguely commented on the difficulty of tone to be presented through text. This comment is no crime, but it does nothing to reverse what he had said previously, forcing me in a position to discipline him.

He received a 3 minute silence, which allowed him time to think about how he presented himself, and try to clear up the record. Instead, he charged me with admin abuse and threatened to report me on the forums. It's true that I told him I found his maturity lacking in this situation, because when most mature people visit a server with rules about provocation, flaming, and cursing, they typically can understand why they get punished when breaking those rules. I didn't mean the comment in a provocative way, I was once again trying to appeal to his better character, which sadly didn't work.

Here are the lines from the logs which counted towards his silence:

B, King of Lava World: madon can you please stfu

B, King of Lava World: holy crap

B, King of Lava World: nobody wants to hear your crap

B, King of Lava World: just stfu

B, King of Lava World: you're not misundestood you're a thoroughly defective piece of sht

B, King of Lava World: silence me whatever had to get it out o

Kyle: help

Kyle: the AI discovered crouching

Kyle: shame tone is so hard to detect over text

Something to note here, you can actually see Blaboobee conceding that his behavior already warranted a silence! In fact, I'm surprised I'm not receiving gratitude for being so lenient with someone who clearly showed intent to bother and put down someone who wasn't intentionally bothering him in the first place.

So I objectively did not use my power at all beyond its limits, in fact I restrained it in the hopes of encouraging Blaboobee not to take out his anger on others. I have no doubt the Council will, after reviewing the evidence, agree whole-heartedly with my assessment of this situation.

Just like Blaboobee said regarding me, I in turn don't think this behavior requires any sort of permanent punishment towards the accusing party, I just hope maybe getting a look at what he's done will inspire him to make better choices in the future, and make a better effort to respect our rules.

*Edit* He changed his name to "Kyle" in response to a discussion he had with retired JAWA member Xanatos. Just so it's clear.

[Blaboobee]

I would actually like to thank Blaboobee for taking the time to bring his concerns on these forums. It's quite rare for any of my critics to submit their complaints in the light of day, where it can be reviewed by professionals, and rendered a verdict. I think topics like these help keep admins on their toes, and despite having never been reported myself until now, I happen to value the discipline it forces me to have.

I can prove without a shadow of a doubt that my use of admin was entirely justified and not abusive. Blaboobee, after listening to Madon speak for some time, Blaboobee provoked Madon by telling him to shut up, bypassed the filter, and flamed him. These three charges alone easily justify a silence under KR admin procedure, but being the understanding person I am, I let him off with a warning, and reminded him that any more infractions would result in a silence.

Later, Blaboobee, while playing in an ffa, exclaimed "Help, the AI learned how to crouch", after ganging up on me with 2 other staffers to spam kick me for roughly 15-20 minutes. At this very moment I already had every right to interpret that comment as a condescending remark aimed at denigrating my skill/intelligence. But once again, trying to be understanding, I offered Blaboobee an opportunity to assure me he meant no disrespect, instead of taking that oppurtunity, he vaguely commented on the difficulty of tone to be presented through text. This comment is no crime, but it does nothing to reverse what he had said previously, forcing me in a position to discipline him.

He received a 3 minute silence, which allowed him time to think about how he presented himself, and try to clear up the record. Instead, he charged me with admin abuse and threatened to report me on the forums. It's true that I told him I found his maturity lacking in this situation, because when most mature people visit a server with rules about provocation, flaming, and cursing, they typically can understand why they get punished when breaking those rules. I didn't mean the comment in a provocative way, I was once again trying to appeal to his better character, which sadly didn't work.

Here are the lines from the logs which counted towards his silence:

B, King of Lava World: madon can you please stfu

B, King of Lava World: holy crap

B, King of Lava World: nobody wants to hear your crap

B, King of Lava World: just stfu

B, King of Lava World: you're not misundestood you're a thoroughly defective piece of sht

B, King of Lava World: silence me whatever had to get it out o

Kyle: help

Kyle: the AI discovered crouching

Kyle: shame tone is so hard to detect over text

Something to note here, you can actually see Blaboobee conceding that his behavior already warranted a silence! In fact, I'm surprised I'm not receiving gratitude for being so lenient with someone who clearly showed intent to bother and put down someone who wasn't intentionally bothering him in the first place.

So I objectively did not use my power at all beyond its limits, in fact I restrained it in the hopes of encouraging Blaboobee not to take out his anger on others. I have no doubt the Council will, after reviewing the evidence, agree whole-heartedly with my assessment of this situation.

Just like Blaboobee said regarding me, I in turn don't think this behavior requires any sort of permanent punishment towards the accusing party, I just hope maybe getting a look at what he's done will inspire him to make better choices in the future, and make a better effort to respect our rules.

I'm glad you care about the importance of upholding admins to scrutiny, Uscari. What confuses me, however, is how you try to spin my encounter with Madon as total justification for your silence of me. What you conveniently omit in mentioning is that that encounter took place over an hour before our conversation. I recognized I violated the rules which is why I willingly offered up the statement to go ahead and silence me after what I said concerning Madon. This was after he paraded himself as a KR founder, JAWA founder, and now ess founder.


You didn't silence me for my infractions against Madon, though. Again, those infractions took place over an hour before the incident I'm reporting you for. You silenced me for my comment: "shame tone is so hard to detect over text."

1) You assumed my comment was condescending with virtually no credible evidence. You were not an unwilling victim of staff kick. You willingly re-entered the FFA against me, Xanatos, and bosco over, and over, and over again. The AI comment was as innocent as a joke can get. You chose to interpret it as hostile aggression on my part when the three of us were just having silly fun and lol'ing constantly. The fact that you attempt to paint this event as you being victimized by staffers substantially denigrates your credibility. You could have EASILY not participated in the fight against us. You, by your own volition, attacked us repeatedly. You also didn't utter a single word throughout the ENTIRETY of this FFA. At no point was it clear you were made uncomfortable. At no point was it clear you'd take a comment about your sudden crouching so, so seriously.

2) You brought up your concern that my comment was condescending. My response did not imply condescension, nor did it intend provocation, nor did it flame, nor did it disrespect you. It was literally a comment on how tone is difficult to interpret over text. This could have VERY easily been interpreted as me saying I didn't mean that as condescension. Instead, without question or further dialogue, you decided I intended condescension all throughout and silenced me.


Yes, you were graceful for not silencing me concerning Madon. You gave me warnings and I obeyed them. This doesn't immediately justify silencing me for an incident in which I broke 0 rules. I did not disrespect. I did not flame. I did not provoke. I obeyed your warnings and didn't commit any further infractions.What I did do was make a joke after you killed me by crouching after we had spent 20 minutes slaughtering you. My infractions against Madon would definitely warrant the silence IF I were actually breaking any rules (provoking, flaming, etc.) But I didn't. I uttered two completely innocent statements and you silenced me without inquiring further into what I meant for 3 minutes.


You had the opportunity to investigate further into what I meant by the comments. You chose not to and rushed to a silence. When I tried to talk to you after my punishment (being confused about the silence and all) you refused to acknowledge I wasn't being condescending even though I explicitly laid it out. Since when is it punishable to NOT say something? That's completely unheard of ESPECIALLY when I didn't break ANY rules during that encounter with you.


You also call me "immature" for not recognizing my mistake. This is amusing, because after my mistakes with Madon, I freely acknowledged that I had broken rules and gave you a go-ahead to silence me. The burden of proof was on you for the 3-minute silence about my "shame tone is so hard to read over text" and you completely disregarded that. So please focus on the point at hand.


"forcing me in a position to discipline". The only position that forces you to discipline would be one in which I break a rule. I didn't break any rules in my encounter with you. You got mad and chose to interpret everything I said as a venomous comment. It makes very little sense.


Are we to hold a player's past infractions as legitimate reason for punishing them without reason in a future interaction? Because that's what would be happening here under your judgment, Uscari. This is a pretty dangerous precedent.

[Samantha Crow]

B, King of Lava World: madon can you please stfu

B, King of Lava World: holy crap

B, King of Lava World: nobody wants to hear your crap

B, King of Lava World: just stfu

B, King of Lava World: you're not misundestood you're a thoroughly defective piece of sht

B, King of Lava World: silence me whatever had to get it out

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(1): Laming is not allowed. Laming is the attacking a player who has their saber down, or their chat up. Melee counts as a saber.

(2): Swearing is not allowed on the server.

(3): Spamming is not allowed.

(4): The term "Noob" is not allowed to be used on the forum or on the server.

(5): Recruiting on our server is prohibited and if done it will mean instant termination of your connection to play on KR's Servers.

(6): Provoking any players on the server is prohibited and will result in an applicable punishment.

(7): KR is English Only to prevent confusion and flaming.

Lines 2 and 6 this is also why we had are run in lack of respect for admin and kr
and well everyone in main chat.

[Blaboobee]

B, King of Lava World: madon can you please stfu

B, King of Lava World: holy crap

B, King of Lava World: nobody wants to hear your crap

B, King of Lava World: just stfu

B, King of Lava World: you're not misundestood you're a thoroughly defective piece of sht

B, King of Lava World: silence me whatever had to get it out

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(1): Laming is not allowed. Laming is the attacking a player who has their saber down, or their chat up. Melee counts as a saber.

(2): Swearing is not allowed on the server.

(3): Spamming is not allowed.

(4): The term "Noob" is not allowed to be used on the forum or on the server.

(5): Recruiting on our server is prohibited and if done it will mean instant termination of your connection to play on KR's Servers.

(6): Provoking any players on the server is prohibited and will result in an applicable punishment.

(7): KR is English Only to prevent confusion and flaming.

Lines 2 and 6 this is also why we had are run in lack of respect for admin and kr
and well everyone in main chat.

This is not the situation which brought about Uscari's silencing.

I am glad, however, that you listed all of KR's rules. Upon a review of them, I found that I violated a grand total of 0 of them during the encounter where Uscari decided to silence me.

I'm also glad that you listed those rules because you have on more than one occasion flamed/provoked me by calling me "garbage" and other stuff.

[John]

Okay...This sure has become a long topic for 3 minutes of silence.

If any "professionals" have anything to add they can.

~locked~

[jawfin]

I didn't read all of that, because I didn't have to. The rules are there to make the server fun and safe, the server isn't there to support the rules.
So, the quotes offered by Uscari of Blaboobee makes it most clearly evident that Blaboobee intended to disrupt Madon's fun of playing the game, which, includes chatting.
Long story short, silence was justified, get over it and try to have fun with people, not at their expense.
And I'm getting sick of having to state the bleeding obvious to the same offenders.