[Hosh-pak]

we changed to DSL 6000 now and we got a router ( Netgear FR 114P )
we have 2 pc's, but it doesnt work with the router but if one pc is directly connected to the new modem it works.
do i have to buy a new router? or do i have to do some [new] configurations?
is this router too old/bad for 6000 ?

[Wanderer]

um, well, im not technacle at all but

dont buy nother router, trust me, been there, f**ked with that, its not fun

i think you need to get some new configurations or some wireless stuff, but dont take my word, wait for some other advice bc i have no idea what im talkin bout

[Phoenix]

I dont know what DSL 6000 is? Is it some kind of ISP package or something? Anyways, if your router is fairly old then you may need to get a new one, or at least update the firmware. Personally from my own personal experience I think getting routers with built in ASDL modems is the best way to go. Most of them support up to a 16mb connection speed so you can't really go wrong.

[Hosh-pak]

thanks for the replies,
i THINK i know what it is.
but have to wait for another email than i know

[Starcomand]

i have 2 comps also not sure about numbers but way mines set up is the 2 comps go to the router then the router goes to the modem and both my pcs can get online at same time

[Phoenix]

Thats the main purpose of a router Star, to distribute network activity evenly.

[Chantelle]

I have to admit i dont understand the original question.

A router in essence is something that connections two disimilar networks together... not all have modems in or are specific to Connecting to the internet. The reason why I say that is that well its easy to buy a normal router which is simply for routing inside a network.

Th fact you said DSL 6000, I think Phoenix may be right it sounds like a package, but DSL does help.. it means your not on cable but... well DSL lol more than likeley ADSL... so your looking for an ADSL gateway router.


Your router is what i said above,, its a normal network router used for joining computers or networks together, actually specifically yours is designed for print servers..

From that I suspect that your using .. a normal adsl modem and dialling up and then using a router to connect to anotehr PC.

well 2 things

get a router which has the modem in and is for ADSL , this way shoudl work flawlessly and will perform MUCH better than your current setup. Much faster aswell for both the PCs and the internet.

second option is to make sure internet conection sharing is enabled. navigate to dial up networking in control panel right click on your connection and select advanced (i think) you will see a box saying enable internet connection..

now you will need to make sure that the firewalls on both PCs allow each other in. the way to do that will depend on your firewall.. also make sure that the router doesnt have a firewall on it..

Also go to the router page.... DISABLE DHCP!! that will be likeley conflicting with the inernet conection sharing which makes yoru host computer a DHCP what all that measn may be best to not explain... in fact i suspect thats the main part of the problem at the minute...



probabaly best to let us know your intentions first before I continue this route..

One way is obviously much much better however it will mean spending a littel bit of money.

[Darko]

Chan i think the problem is your just too damn intelligent

[Melissa]

but lets face it, being an IT Managers makes her a geekette

.. anyway if this is what i hink it is, similar setup with my mates xbox 360 for cheapness they orignally shared their net on the computer ot the xbox using a cable and well.... I think it was this anyway chan talked it through over the phone so i just did what she said rather than listened.

it was a bit volatile connection and they actually swapped that for a router for the net and thats much better..

[FlapJack23]

you could also try making sure every computer is plugged into the router, the make sure that the router itself is plugged into the modem. Then, go to my network places, and click "set up a home or small ofice network". Next set up the network on every computer. That might work

[Phoenix]

you could also try making sure every computer is plugged into the router, the make sure that the router itself is plugged into the modem. Then, go to my network places, and click "set up a home or small ofice network". Next set up the network on every computer. That might work

Possibly but the windows networking wizard is not known for its reliability or its effectiveness.

[Chantelle]

you could also try making sure every computer is plugged into the router, the make sure that the router itself is plugged into the modem. Then, go to my network places, and click "set up a home or small ofice network". Next set up the network on every computer. That might work

I think your getting mixed up, his router doesnt i do not think plug directly into the modem, the i suspect USB modem is attached to his PC and then he is using a network router as a network hub

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                                                    Router
                                  /           \
INTERNET <<<<>>>>Modem>>>>Host PC               Second PC

When enabling th Host PC to share his internet cnnection that host PC will try to assume the role of DHCP or Dynamic host configuration protocol which is the role of a server to distribute IP information to client machines i.e second PC..

With that you get your individual client address, subnet mask which is potentiall way to complicated to explain on this and the gateway which is where all external traffic is directed. In this case you'd want your Host PC to be the gateway. therefore any request from an external computer on "Second PC" i.e website is forwarded towards "Host PC".

What I am wondering is the problem is that most routers have DHCP enabled and this is conflicting with the internet host PC.. therefore thr router is telling the PCs that their gateway is the router.. what you would need to do in this case is disable the DHCP on the router and give it a static IP address so it would look something like this.

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                                Router
                         IP 192.168.0.3/24
                   Gateway 192.168.0.1
              /                              \
Host PC                                         Second PC
192.168.0.1/24                  IP 192.168.0.2/24
192.168.0.1                    Gateway 192.168.0.1

See what i mean so everything external is sent to teh Host

what I think might be happening is

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                              Router
                       IP 192.168.0.1/24
                     Gateway 192.168.0.1
                   /                              \
Host PC                                         Second PC
192.168.0.2/24                  IP 192.168.0.2/24
192.168.0.1                    Gateway 192.168.0.1

which means everything is sending to the router

Do not get me wrong I am only speculating as the symptoms and the litte he said makes me think this as it would be common mistake since most people wouldnt know either way.

by the way the /24 does mean 24bit mask so thats 255.255.255.0 if you were wondering.

What you suggest about the network is a good point, I did however assume it was already setup since he said it no longer works, the wizard is a bit fiddly but you do not have to go through it all just make sure they are on teh same workgroup and enable file sharing and such as needed.

but each cleint firewall must allow the 192.168.0.0 subent in so that the trust each other to be able to ping each other..

I do think getting a Gatewat ADSL router would be better, would you agree FJ23?

Edit sorry for my drwaings coming out screwed up.

[Melissa]

buy a router ^^^^^^ that method could end up being very confusing and well could cause alot of headache as it sounds like its going to be a long drawn out session of essays to get there, and well at the vend you would have not the best solution

[Hosh-pak]

oh thanks for all the posts, but its already working now

[Phoenix]

Like to let us know how you solved the problem, would help if anyone else has a similar problem.

[Chantelle]

buy a router ^^^^^^ that method could end up being very confusing and well could cause alot of headache as it sounds like its going to be a long drawn out session of essays to get there, and well at the vend you would have not the best solution

my bad not good at easing explinations up over fora

[Hosh-pak]

lol i just had to delete all informations/Datas from the old provider in the router settings

[Chantelle]

arr kinda makes sense,, im guessing the DHCP thing woudl have been the part of that...

basically it changed the way the computers talk to each other and there was a conflict between who was providing the net.

[Hosh-pak]

but thanks a lot that you tried that hard to help me