[Grimm]

January 15 will be my 1 year anniversary of being with KR. at least i think its jan. 15, with all the one week waiting and stuff it might be earlier or later. i wanted to use this opportunity to see wut i can do to make an effort to be back in the clan. all this "wait a couple weeks to let us see ur behavior" has worn off, its been 4 months and i dont see any action here....

so im wondering wuts going on and wut i can do to get back in the clan

[Wanderer]

grimm, this sort of thing can't be descussed in public. im very frusterated with coucil that they havent given you an answer yet, thats all he needs. and hes been here long enof for one, good or bad, he wants to know if hes in or not. pho, ive been trying to talk to you about it, but since you never answered my PM, i see this topic will never get discussed. grimm cant wait all his life for you to make a desision, send him a PM or something telling him whats up.

please give us an answer, we cant wait forever.

[RoNin]

Frankly i havent seen either of you to base an opinon on, further more as stated in multiple topics due to the holidays most of us including myself havent really been on the forums or jka much i will start a discussion tonight but i can't base an opinion on that which i cannot see

[Grimm]

grimm, this sort of thing can't be descussed in public.

well i cant really put this into a members only area wand, and i want ppl to see it and put their own input in, i dont just want the council...

[RaVeN]

This is fine to post this here if Grimm is ok with it, because it is about him.

I would have to agree with Ronin on this, but please take my opinon with a grain of salt because i havent been on much on the server.

But when i was on (for those 4 days that i was able to be on) i didnt see Grimm on nor heard news of him being on.

We would need activity (and yes Grimm, i know that you have been active in the past but you shouldnt use that as a defense, because then the question would be "Why r u inactive now then?" if you r indeed 'inactive'. I might have just caught u on a bad week.)

[Grimm]

i just havent been on much cuz i dont see the point really anymore. if im not in the clan, wuts the point of staying on the server so much? people who r there are mostly just waiting to join. so yes, i will be more active as of now.

[Wanderer]

and guys, grimm has been waiting for 3-4 mothes and your telling me that youv never seen him on? thas bs if i say so myself. ive seen grimm interact with all of you more than 10 times each in the time frame hes been waiting for an answer. and if you cant see why rimm saying "theres no point being on anymore" then think about his situation:

grimm left on a bad note with KR, we join SLS, i quit SLS for multiple resons i come back am is soon ubducteed back into KR within 2-3 weeks (which is what you guys sed you would do with grimm).

after i leave and rejoinn KR, grimm quits SLS and comes back expecting the same treatment os me, hes not. hes treated like traitor coming bac from a betrail and is, after long negoshiation, admited the same situation as mine.

over the 2-3 weeks grimm has been very active on server and forums, he begins expecting a eply on his status of rejoining the clan, theres no reply. so, trying not to be ubnoctious, grimm politly asks me to find out what i can. i spoke to 3 or 4 coucil members getting all the same reply:"its not to be discussed beond the council." which is under stood.

2 or 2 mothes later still no reply and grimm is begining to loose intrest in somthing that seems will never be desided and slowly becomes inactive. i begin to become very annoyed by KR coucil(more than b4) and send pho a polite PM about grimms status stating its strikly private between us(grimm never knew about it untill now) and there was no reply after 2 weeks, and no, pho was and is active enof to reply.

my theory is, is that there is bad blood between grimm and some members of KR(not to be named) which is, in turn, leaving grimm, metaphoricly, fighting a fight against all odds.

if council hasnt decided yet, thell never deside.

[Wanderer]

grimm, this sort of thing can't be descussed in public.

well i cant really put this into a members only area wand, and i want ppl to see it and put their own input in, i dont just want the council...

i know grimm, at the time i was thinking at the time it would be better if you made this a private thing with council, but not i realiz i was rong, this should be a public afare, its gone on to long

[Grimm]

and i believe there is bad blood between me and many in KR, but if i do say so myself, i think my apology was pretty thuro, and if i forget anything ill gladly add it. i just feel kinda annoyed and let down

[Kakashi.Archive]

Not to break into this but....

I beleave that you and Wanderer ow me a BIG apology after the way u treated me some time ago... you never said srry about that yet...and i feel i should get that from the both of you...If you would like me to post about what you did thats fine with me but im sure you wont....all the same!

[RaVeN]

First and foremost, I can not and will not speak for the council.

grimm left on a bad note with KR, we join SLS, i quit SLS for multiple resons i come back am is soon ubducteed back into KR within 2-3 weeks (which is what you guys sed you would do with grimm).

after i leave and rejoinn KR, grimm quits SLS and comes back expecting the same treatment os me, hes not. hes treated like traitor coming bac from a betrail and is, after long negoshiation, admited the same situation as mine.

Hmm, when i read Grimm's "I'm sry" post it didnt seem like he was expecting the same treatment as you. Infact i think he even mentioned something along the lines of "i understand if you guys dont want me back"

Wand, you make it seem like you and Grimm both left KR on the same note but this is just not true. Grimm left, if I may use the term, "Kicking and Screaming" while being very disrespectful to members of KR (im not arguing that the vice versa didnt happen either)

my theory is, is that there is bad blood between grimm and some members of KR(not to be named) which is, in turn, leaving grimm, metaphoricly, fighting a fight against all odds.

You damn right there is bad blood. To deny this is silly. There r 3 ways to leave a clan and Grimm choose the worst and he burned bridges doing so. He knows it and I know he knows it by reading his posts.

Ergo, Grimm YOU need to be the one to build them back. If you truly want this you need to take the initative. You need to PM, You need to ask, you need to show interest. That would prove that you are infact "sry" for whatever it was in the past that has pissed ppl off.

Frankly, i dont care if u have been doing this in the past, Grimm. If ur not in the clan by now then you havent been doing your job.

"Only do, there is no try" -- Yoda, i think, right? I dont know im not too much of a star wars gal...sue me

[Phoenix]

Thank you Rav, for that post. You pretty much said everything I would have said. Although personally I am trying to avoid this topic as much as possible as a few of my bridges were burt down upon Grimms leave and truthfully my trust in him has gone. As Rav said, you need to earn respect of members back, because in every topic that has brought this issue up, there has only been one person supporting you Grimm and thats Wand. I think there is a perfectly good reason for that as well, its hard for him not to support you because he knows you in real life, your his mate, his friend.

Maybe you need to think about that, and maybe you will understand why the council have decided to take their time on this issue.

Pho~

[RaVeN]

I would just like to make clear that it is not a "fight against all odds" for Grimm to come back into KR

I can complelety see Grimm rejoining if he puts forth more effort. Saying "i'm sry" when you want something in return is easier than most ppl think.

Just ask any guy who has a girlfriend.

Step up to the plate, accept the responsiblity and maybe you will be in KR for your anniversary. Truth be told, I am one of those members that would like to see Grimm back with tags on. But i forgive very easily. Others r not so forgiving, with good reason.

My anniversary is right after yours...will you be here for mine?

[Grimm]

well to say i havent been doing this is a stretch, u cant forget that it has been 4 months. all this "council needs time" is up i think, u cant possibly need 4 months.and i have PMd ppl. mainly pho becuz that was the person i burned most. i think i tried to come back, u guys sed it would take time then u guys kinda forgot about it. so im not sure if im going to be here for ur anniversery ra. this isnt all up to me, ive done alot, maybe not all, but alot and council has still "needed more time"

yes kakashi, i do owe u an apology, i cant even remember the stupid thing we faught over, in short, im sry for being an ass to u.

[Tricky]

i just havent been on much cuz i dont see the point really anymore. if im not in the clan, wuts the point of staying on the server so much? people who r there are mostly just waiting to join. so yes, i will be more active as of now.

I'm sorta confused. Isn't that why you joined in the first place? Because you enjoyed playing on the server and hanging out with everyone in the clan? It was for me, and many others. I may pledge my allegiance to DA now, but I still feel like an extended family to KR, even if it's not reciprocated. I left to get out of the clan business and because I knew I'd probably be taking a break from the game shortly thereafter. Having [KR] in your name doesn't make you a God; it just means you have to uphold certain rules and responsibilities while reflecting well upon others, etc... You can still be buddies with everyone even if you aren't a member, and you should probably start there before you ask to be let back in. No offense Grimm, but it seems like you want to be in the clan more than you want to be a friend of the members.

[Grimm]

no disrespect tricky, but i have been friends with the members of KR (to bring up the number again) for 4 months, ive only been active for about the past 3 weeks. and the server has gone somewhat innactive as of i went on 3 weeks ago, it was almost always me, frood, kak, or banshee, i dont remember much presense from anyone else cept for trials and such, so i kinda just went innactive as the server did, there was no1 on that i hadnt seen everyday. not that hangin with kak banshee and frood isnt bad, but if u lived off the same meal everyday, ud want some different food eventually.....

[RaVeN]

The question now is, Grimm, what are you gonna to do?

(you dont need to respond, you can just start)

[Grimm]

wut am i supposed to do, ive given apologies, ive shown u guys that ive changed, it just seems u guys kinda left me out in the rain. so now the question is wut do i WANT to do, cuz i think ive done wut i can

[Tricky]

Don't know if you've heard of Thoreau, but he's one of my favorite authors. He has a quote that goes, "Public opinion is a weak tyrant compared with our own private opinion. What a man thinks of himself, that is which determines, or rather indicates, his fate." Think about it a bit. Self-reflection is always a good spring board for where to head next.

[Phoenix]

Thankyou Tricky for your post. Grimm, the council decide on your reappliance based on what they see of you. You basically answered your question yourself. The reason why the council has 'been taking its time' is because you haven't been active. How can we possibly see if you have changed, when you werent on the server and only came on the forums about once a week, and if you did you post would contain something to do with your delayed re-entry to KR. So to me, I agree with Tricky I think your more interested in joining, then making back the friends you lost. This is the approach the council is taking.

[Wanderer]

there are many things that i would like to say, but i cant fight your battles grimm, ive tryed everything in my power to help you, and now ive realized, all that i do for you meens nothing, its you that chooses what you want.

I am removing myself from this arguement from here on out, it's all up to you now.

[Grimm]

pho, i have only been active for the past 3 weeks, for the other 3 months i have been very active. and i go on the forums everyday, and still do, i havent gone 2 days without being on the forums

[RaVeN]

Grimm i think your kinda missing the point of what we are "asking" of you.

We are not saying become/stay active (this is what we normally expect from anyone trying to join our clan)
And we are not asking you to keep saying your sry (which was expected, but you dont need to say it anymore/everytime)

Those 2 things are the easy stuff. You now have to show interest into coming back into KR. (telling us that your interested is not showing)

You can start by trying to rebuild friendships within KR. Like Tricky said, its pointless to join a group that your not even friends with. Dont join a clan just because it is a clan.

Go beyond the expectations

Blaming this on the Council is blame dodging. You really have no one to blame but yourself Grimm (i'm sry if this sounds harsh but it's the flatline truth).

You tell us that you have been waiting on the Council to come to a decsion. If you want an answer right now from the Council im 100% positive that it would be "no."

On the contrary, they are, infact, waiting on YOU.

So now your stuck in this waiting game and I for one would put my money on the Council, because in this game, they're holding all the chips with nothing to lose.

Grimm, you now have all the information you need to make this happen. How to be a KR member once again is outlined in this whole thread. If your still lost at wut to do then im afraid this story ends here.

So now you have a descion to make, and be careful which one you choose because in the end your only hurting yourself.

"That's why they call work 'Work' and not 'Fun Time,' Because you have to work at it." --- Some guy (i'm too lazy to look it up)

Edit: Also, think about what it would take to make all the Council Members say "Yes."

Seriously, what would it take? When you think you have the answer...do it.

[Grimm]

i think im misinterpreting the people at this moment. ppl that i know, like banshee, kak, u raven, tricky, ppl i believed were my friends, that i would call friends have kinda ditched me on this topic. maybe its just me, but ppl were like "u should give a shot at getting back in" at first i wasnt even gonna try then i saw a few ppl who wanted me back. but wen i made my comeing back post they sed just wut u sed "work harder, and maybe well say yes" so it seems like they just kinda turned their backs. so i guess this means im giving up....ill find someplace else that might actually like me, and like my skills. if i even continue to play JA, becuz i havent been playing it often and i might just have to quit altogether.

[RaVeN]

First off, Grimm, no one has turned their backs on you. I'm sure if you asked those same ppl on your list for any kind of help that, at the drop of a dime, they will help you in any way they can (me included).

The ones that you named, however, are not the ones that have the authority to decide whether or not your allowed back in.

The ones with the authority, those are the ones whos feelings you hurt when you left, those are the ones you need to make it up to, those are the ones whose minds you need to change. Because, in the end, it is their desicion.

"u should give a shot at getting back in" does not mean asking "Hey guys, sry about what happened. Can I come back in?" and then not doing anything about it while just waiting for the Council to decide.

Giving it a shot means giving it a shot. Ask, apologise and work for it. If at the end the answer is no, then hell, you can say u tried. As of now you cant say u tried. As of now you can only say u requested and waited.

I never said i turned my back on you. Infact, if you reread this whole thread I think you might find that I am the one that is trying to help you out the most.

But, if your going to give up than there is nothing I can do...