[Batman]

I'm Batman

I read your rules and i'm sure i have abuse to report -.-

in the ugly shape of taipan


he slapped then slept another player for hugging i forget his name but they said it was ok but i dont beleive it. then i get silened for questioning with him as that was disrespect a admin i think i said 'orly?' and silence

the person who got slept told me your webpage. i have played here a few times some may remember me and i know the rules i follow them i play good and i never lamed or swore or anything your tiapan is a lose canon

im am annoyed that i have to look after you look after yourselves for once -.-

[Wolferion]

I'm Batman
im am annoyed that i have to look after you look after yourselves for once -.-

And I'm annoyed with that attitude. Don't use large scale words, it brings no good in such situations. Then, I guess you didn't really read all about reporting admin abuse. For abuse you have to have some "material" evidence, that's f.e. screenshot.

If he admin abused we'll take a look, but If I were you, I'd be more careful in writing.

[Zabuza]

imho just go ahead and close it... no evidence / witnesses and hes apparently trying to be annoying

[Akimoto]

Don't really have any reason not to believe him, I guess. Might as well take a look at server logs (more work for admins)~

I'm Batman
im am annoyed that i have to look after you look after yourselves for once -.-

And I'm annoyed with that attitude. Don't use large scale words, it brings no good in such situations. Then, I guess you didn't really read all about reporting admin abuse. For abuse you have to have some "material" evidence, that's f.e. screenshot.

If he admin abused we'll take a look, but If I were you, I'd be more careful in writing.

If KR were that serious about writing i would have been booted 5 years ago+ lol

[saunby]

imho just go ahead and close it... no evidence / witnesses and hes apparently trying to be annoying

He may not have evidence (or at least to our knowledge) but you cant just dismiss a claim like this..

[Taipan]

5:13:14 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: quit hug spamming
5:13:14 PM - -{Pirate}-Cpt. Jack: how do you fly?
5:13:17 PM - -{Pirate}-Cpt. Jack: i wanna fly!!
5:13:18 PM - TEST entered the game
5:13:19 PM - Tiddly: :P
5:13:28 PM - TEST: i dont think any of the kill trackers like windows 7
5:13:35 PM - -{Pirate}-Cpt. Jack: can i fly?!?!?!
5:13:35 PM - Batman: Youy get slapped for hugging here?
5:13:40 PM - Tiddly: i do
5:13:43 PM - Tiddly: xD
5:13:45 PM - TEST renamed to {DX}}Dogfighter*JM*
5:13:47 PM - {DX}}Dogfighter*JM*: :(
5:13:50 PM - [Console] - say /bind (key) +button 12
5:13:50 PM - say
5:13:50 PM - say_team_mod
5:13:50 PM - say_team
5:13:50 PM - [Console] - say /bind (key) +button 12
5:13:50 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: /bind (key) +button 12
5:13:50 PM - Batman: abuse
5:13:59 PM - -{Pirate}-Cpt. Jack: thats just grapple
5:14:10 PM - Tiddly: taipan hates ninjas
5:14:13 PM - Tiddly: he's a pirate fan
5:14:20 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: dont even try that card batman, hug spamming can be adreesed with admin
5:14:25 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: No Lamming this includes Melee, FlipKick, Grapple, Shaving, and revenge Laming
5:14:32 PM - -[KR]-Ahsoka: oh gah
5:14:36 PM - -[KR]-Ahsoka: Yeah no laming please :(
5:14:41 PM - Batman: I think you are wrong on this occasion, Mr Admin
5:14:41 PM - -[KR]-Ahsoka: I was in msn
5:14:42 PM - -[KR]-Ahsoka: stop
5:14:43 PM - Tiddly: dog
5:14:43 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: No Lamming this includes Melee, FlipKick, Grapple, Shaving, and revenge Laming
5:14:46 PM - {DX}}Dogfighter*JM*: i'm not laming
5:14:46 PM - Tiddly: thats a no-no
5:14:49 PM - Tiddly: you are
5:14:50 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: yes u are
5:14:50 PM - -{Pirate}-Cpt. Jack disconnected
5:14:54 PM - {DX}}Dogfighter*JM*: do you not see the green bubble
5:14:55 PM - Tiddly: ahsoka's saber is off
5:14:57 PM - DanoX connected
5:15:01 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: i c it
5:15:04 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: and its still maing
5:15:08 PM - Tiddly: do you see a saber on?
5:15:08 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: laming*
5:15:10 PM - {DX}}Dogfighter*JM*: laming is killing an unarmed player
5:15:14 PM - Tiddly: no
5:15:20 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: no its atacking an unarmed player
5:15:23 PM - Tiddly: laming is ATTACKING an unarmed player
5:15:23 PM - {DX}}Dogfighter*JM*: what harm is hitting someone with your saber doing if it doesnt affect them
5:15:25 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: No Lamming This is attacking a player whos saber is Down or thier Chat up
5:15:32 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: last warning
5:15:39 PM - {DX}}Dogfighter*JM*: alright later
5:15:45 PM - {DX}}Dogfighter*JM*: not playing on a stick-up-the ass server
5:15:48 PM - {DX}}Dogfighter*JM* disconnected
5:15:49 PM - Tiddly: zomg
5:15:53 PM - Batman: ? now what?
5:15:55 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: i told u to quit it
5:15:57 PM - Tiddly: i was just showing the love
5:15:57 PM - Batman: sleeping?
5:15:59 PM - Tiddly: *SadFace*
5:16:12 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: and i hate the love
5:16:13 PM - Batman: seriously guy, that is abuse
5:16:15 PM - Tiddly: lolololol
5:16:23 PM - Tiddly: <--- doesn't mind
5:16:27 PM - Tiddly: tis just joknig
5:16:32 PM - Batman: hmm
5:16:33 PM - Tiddly: joking*
5:16:42 PM - Tiddly: oi!
5:16:51 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: 1 u arnt a member of kr, 2nd u have never undergone our admin achool, and 3 im the highest ranking admin on,
5:16:54 PM - Tiddly: i went to roll and forgot i binded over
5:16:55 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: what i say goes
5:17:03 PM - Batman: orly?
5:17:06 PM - Tiddly: my bad tai
5:17:07 PM - Batman: well
5:17:08 PM - Batman: I'm batman
5:17:10 PM - Batman: LOL
5:17:13 PM - [Console] - amsilence bat
5:17:19 PM - Tiddly: :(
5:17:28 PM - Tiddly has become engaged in a duel with -[KR]-^Taipan!
5:17:54 PM - Padawan connected
5:18:04 PM - -[KR]-^Taip was sabered by Tiddly
5:18:04 PM - Tiddly has defeated -[KR]-^Taipan! ==> 100 Health 21 Armor left for winner
5:18:14 PM - Tiddly: you can't duel while you're mad
5:18:17 PM - Batman renamed to /Silenced?
5:18:24 PM - Padawan disconnected
5:18:24 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: yes for arguing with an admin
5:18:34 PM - /Silenced? renamed to You abused
5:18:42 PM - You abused renamed to I pointed that out
5:18:44 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: no i didnt
5:19:21 PM - I pointed that out renamed to Web page pleasse?
5:19:31 PM - DanoX timed out
5:19:47 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: Visit www.knights-reborn.org
5:20:16 PM - Areus connected
5:20:30 PM - Tiddly: areus = baser
5:20:55 PM - Areus entered the game
5:20:58 PM - Tiddly: i missed!!
5:21:09 PM - Areus: -=(hello)=-
5:21:13 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: sup dude
5:21:18 PM - Tiddly: Hello.
5:21:28 PM - Web page pleasse? renamed to You can bet I will
5:21:29 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan has become engaged in a duel with Areus!
5:21:31 PM - [Areus]: Good luck -[KR]-^Taip ! I Will Show No Mercy!
5:21:39 PM - Tiddly: big hands = i miss my grapple often
5:22:12 PM - Areus was sabered by -[KR]-^Taip
5:22:12 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan has defeated Areus! ==> 9 Health 0 Armor left for winner
5:22:13 PM - [Areus]: Good Fight -[KR]-^Taip ! Seems i have too train more...
5:22:13 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: [---GoodFight---]
5:22:15 PM - Areus: -=(gf)=-
5:22:16 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: vgf
5:22:23 PM - Areus has become engaged in a duel with -[KR]-^Taipan!
5:22:25 PM - [Areus]: Good luck -[KR]-^Taip ! I Will Show No Mercy!
5:22:26 PM - Tiddly: that makes me dizzy
5:22:42 PM - Areus was sabered by -[KR]-^Taip
5:22:42 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan has defeated Areus! ==> 100 Health 46 Armor left for winner
5:22:43 PM - [Areus]: Good Fight -[KR]-^Taip ! Seems i have too train more...
5:22:44 PM - Areus: -=(gf)=-
5:22:47 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: [---GoodFight---]
5:22:52 PM - Areus has become engaged in a duel with -[KR]-^Taipan!
5:22:55 PM - [Areus]: Good luck -[KR]-^Taip ! I Will Show No Mercy!
5:23:12 PM - You can bet I will: test
5:23:21 PM - You can bet I will: oh thank you mr admiiiiiin
5:23:39 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: keep up the lip and u can be silenced again
5:23:39 PM - You can bet I will: cya when ur stripped later
5:23:43 PM - You can bet I will disconnected

[Akimoto]

I kinda agree, yet i disagree with the action. It could all be avoided if.. meh I wont go there, what's happend have happend!

Atm it seems like both are "right" (or in this case, wrong).
And, even IF it were wrong, what should KR do? PUNISH Taipan? Why? What cause does that server? You did annoy him. On purpose after he asked you to stop.

However, did he slap the first time you said dont spam-hug? If he did not, this shouldn't be concidered admin abuse (my opinion).

[Greed]

Since when can hugspamming be admined? i seem to have missed this amendment.

You can bluff about it, but if you actually do it :\ it doesn't remain a bluff.

[SilentOne]

*throws in two cents* i see abuse and i dont see abuse from what i read from the logs that tai has posted..you flat out argued with an admin and that is punishment if you dont listen/argue(backtalk) to the admin. and if he did slap you the first time that is abuse but since you really dont have much proof batman i cannot believe you

~SilentOne~

[Phreedom]

I remember reading somewhere that you cant punish for annoyance. If that wasnt there i prbly woulda never been in the clan...

and another thing... you are not batman. Batman died a while ago. U r prbly his bratty son damien.

[BadWolf]

um, lol, you do not sleep a hug spammer, if you dont want to be hugged and they dont stop when you ask them to, ghost them or yourself till they agree to stop

i believe taipan did in fact abuse his authority, just because you are the higher ranking admin does NOT mean EVERYTHING you say goes, i certainly see no real reason for your silencing batman, all he did was call you out on abuse that was apperent

[Tidus]

I don't remember being given the right to sleep someone who is hug spamming back when I play'd JKA. Yes it can get annoying which is why you invis them. But even then, that was only temp. Dunno if rules changed but, reading that whole log sounds a little bit abusive, and maybe handled in inappropriate manner.
Silencing him instead of talking to him about it was probably a little harsh also.

5:16:55 PM - -[KR]-^Taipan: what i say goes
5:17:03 PM - Batman: orly?
5:17:06 PM - Tiddly: my bad tai
5:17:07 PM - Batman: well
5:17:08 PM - Batman: I'm batman
5:17:10 PM - Batman: LOL
5:17:13 PM - [Console] - amsilence bat

I noticed after this part, it almost seems like he was left in a corner or something and you went to dueling Tiddly and others leaving him there instead of making sure he knew what he did wrong(which by what I see "hug spamming")
If I had a say in this/witnessed this. Then I would probably call it admin abuse also.
But hey, what do I know? I'm only Tidus

EDIT: "what I say goes" isn't true. An admin is like a police officer. they enforce laws, don't make them. You might have been highest rank on. But that doesn't make you the law. That makes you the police.

[Greed]

what I say goes" isn't true. An admin is like a police officer. they enforce laws, don't make them. You might have been highest rank on. But that doesn't make you the law. That makes you the police.

As i said before, you can bluff, u can't actually admin. I've bluffed like this to put ppl in thier place.

You abuse your authority too much tai. And the worst of it is that u dont apologize, and act like they did the wrong thing by calling you out/making a post here. :\

[Akimoto]

I still think both of them are "wrong" and "right" @_@ I LOVE KR and wishes for their admins to ... use other means instead of admin to stop annoyances (like duelling, or simply running away. after all why play JKA if you didn't?)

[Sanction]

i was hugging Tai and got slept, i have no hard feelings over this. afterall he told me to stop. sometimes i just like to annoy one of the few people that can beat me consistantly. whether or not action is taken over this. I DON'T CARE. i got slept for less than 10 seconds, boo hoo. i actually lol'd at it and took it as a joke. afterall, i was just playing around, i would assume with me Tai was too. the arguing with admin however, was unnecessary. this thread shouldn't be about me. thats my choice to post if it was. if anything, this is about arguing with admin, and we all know how that is. Its like bringing your own food to MacDonalds... you just don't do it. Tiddly hath spoken.

[BadWolf]

i was hugging Tai and got slept, i have no hard feelings over this. afterall he told me to stop. sometimes i just like to annoy one of the few people that can beat me consistantly. whether or not action is taken over this. I DON'T CARE. i got slept for less than 10 seconds, boo hoo. i actually lol'd at it and took it as a joke. afterall, i was just playing around, i would assume with me Tai was too. the arguing with admin however, was unnecessary. this thread shouldn't be about me. thats my choice to post if it was. if anything, this is about arguing with admin, and we all know how that is. Its like bringing your own food to MacDonalds... you just don't do it. Tiddly hath spoken.

i believe the main issue on weather this was abuse was the fact he silenced batman for relatively no reason

[saunby]

Im in agreement with most people here despite my opinion not meaning as much these days lol, the situation was not dealt with correctly and Tiddly, you are right, taking your own food to macdonalds, you just dont do it, but you dont get abused and the cops called about it!

[jawfin]

Thanks for you posts guys. I'll close this off now, but before I do I will state that annoyances can not be enforced by admin action.

Taipan, need I remind you of this thread?
http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... php?t=4897
Specifically Rav's post in that thread?

Be very glad that Batman didn't post proof, as I think he was trying to say that its not his job to do that (the problem being visitors ask for the web page and read the rules after they've been abused).

As Taipan posted his log in public, I don't feel bad in listing all the abuses here: -

1. Being slapped for hugging
Taipan: "dont even try that card batman, hug spamming can be adreesed with admin" :: WRONG

2. Being slept for hugging
Taipan: "what i say goes" :: WRONG, you are not the law, you only enforce it

3.
Batman: orly?
Batman: well
Batman: I'm batman
Batman: LOL
[Console] - amsilence bat
Being silenced for him saying that is a misuse of Admin
I'll also note there was no warning given


This may be a bit embarrassing to you Taipan, having to address this in public. But I feel its politer then stripping your admin. I suggest you reacquaint yourself with the Admin School and its rules, even note my final sentence in that link posted above.

A reminder to all about adminning annoyances: -
http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... php?t=3682