[MadonLightstorm]

Yesterday was KRs Darkest Day, Ghost and Lava World Blaboo, it first started out with ghost losing the duel against me cause he hid in rafters and I tried to get there but couldn't reach him, so SKSteeles Told me to quit the duel so I did, cause Ghost wouldn't duel proplery, so then.. on the next map ghost and lavaworld blaboo and another dude started fighting and laming , am talking about laming a lot, he lamed me and SKsteeles, and admins we're Shink and Rogue and Toast, no body was doing anything, now blaboo and ghost did get me to lame, cause I was trying to protect SKSteeles, no one should ever have to face a troll like that.

and then Lava world Blaboo did the same thing he lamed me about 5-7 times he kept doing it and I was trying to defend myself, which caused me to lame him and Shink, reason why I lamed shink cause I was hoping this would bring the attention to least one KR member and same time I got killed by blaboo.

I personally think rogue was there , but she refused to do anything about it, I was trying to defend myself and they kept provoking me and later SKSteeles turned on me on next map by calling me madon weiner which I lamed him cause they kept making humping animations.

another thing I did to least get blaboo and ghost off me, I lamed couple others, in-hoping to spark free for all so they can draw blaboo and ghost off of me.

at same time I wanted to make sure sksteeles was okay.

[MadonLightstorm]

now am willing to accept my end of the blame and get banned (if necessary), cause all I was trying to do was to get ghost and blaboo from off me attacking me over and over again with saber down.

but I prefer the three of us got banned : Ghost and lava world and me

[Frog]

If they lame while an admin is on then they'll be appropriately dealt with. No laming under any circumstances is allowed. This goes for you and for them.

[jawfin]

Those induhviduals are known to us. They are running out of chances of being allowed on server.

[Shink]

First, Thanks for the message. I was going to let yesterday slide by, but let's talk:

Yesterday was KRs Darkest Day, Ghost and Lava World Blaboo, it first started out with ghost losing the duel against me cause he hid in rafters and I tried to get there but couldn't reach him,

This is far from where this situation started. Ghost was being a troll from the beginning. He was provoking you, without breaking rules. You joined in immediately. Ghost enjoyed inciting anger in you, and it worked. When I noticed the argument in-chat, I PLEADED with both of you to stop. For the following 20 minutes, I frantically tried to squash this. I am NOT an admin so doing this is ALWAYS rough. I told you Ghost was trolling you and that it's not about player skill, or him dueling you. You ignored me. I spoke to Ghost. He listened, but he explained to me YOU wouldn't drop it, so he wanted to see you go down by his trolling. I didn't agree, but it's NOT against the rules...or at least the way he approached it. Many trolls can troll someone without flaming or insulting. You, Madon, flamed and insulted Ghost into dueling him for about 30 minutes. Ghost insulted you back once, I told him to watch it. I finally told him just to duel you. He did.

so SKSteeles Told me to quit the duel so I did, cause Ghost wouldn't duel proplery, so then..

I too was pretty bent that Ghost did that to you. We've discussed as a clan the actions we should take regarding someone running in a duel. If an admin sees this persist, they can step-in try to explain to the player why it was wrong. Ghost knew what he was doing. He didn't even run, he just jumped to the top of the map with his saber lit. You didn't even try to pursue, so I didn't see whether he actually ran. Anyway, when I read you DEMAND I do something, I told you specifically multiple times: 1) He is trying to make you mad, not duel, you didn't want to duel you for over 30 minutes now, why would he want to after you harassed him into it? 2) I told you just kill yourself to end the duel. That's how I deal with that. It's just a game. You BOTH focused on the outcome of like 10 duels for this whole thing. Most of us have 100's of duels with each other, and don't keep track. Get over this now Madon, this is just a game. Are you here to have fun, or say you're better than someone to the point that you'll start breaking rules. You are NOT the best. I am NOT the best. If Ghost does not want to duel, clearly he is NOT the best. If he could beat you easily, that would've been the star piece in his trolling portfolio.

on the next map ghost and lavaworld blaboo and another dude started fighting and laming , am talking about laming a lot, he lamed me and SKsteeles,

I did not see any of this. I was not there. Believe me, and I'm sure blaboo, ghost, and steele would agree, blaboo, ghost, and steele, are not the most trustworthy. Do I believe they were laming EACH OTHER? Totally. Others? Not sure, I'd need evidence. Laming you? By that point, I would say it's probably. However, a KR admin needs to see it.

and admins we're Shink and Rogue and Toast, no body was doing anything, now blaboo and ghost did get me to lame, cause I was trying to protect SKSteeles, no one should ever have to face a troll like that.

You were protecting Steeles?...Madon you should know that doesn't make sense. No offense, Steeles can take care of himself. Also, Rogue was the only admin and not "physically" present. Without a physical presence, by the point YOU were at, in terms of breaking rules, it was hard to believe you (from my point-of-view). As mentioned, I was not on that part of the map, or paying attention by that point. I gave up on you after an hour of you not dropping it. EVERYONE else stopped. Seriously. I watched you provoke action for such a long time, even more impressively than Ghost's initial trolling efforts.

This is where I come in, and WHY I posted this reply. I'm chilling, talking to joshua fireseed, and look at the chat:


^As you saw, now for the 5 times, I told I'm not an admin, and to calm down.

I tried. I have considered you a friend in this game for years on and off now. It's because of things like this, that I have written you off multiple times. You don't drop anything, and you drag people like myself into it that you ignored for all the time I tried to help. I was, and am not happy, with your actions. I wouldn't ban any of you (It's not my choice at all...matter of fact we follow objective protocols rather than just make a decision). You all, need to learn to coexist.

and then Lava world Blaboo did the same thing he lamed me about 5-7 times he kept doing it and I was trying to defend myself, which caused me to lame him and Shink, reason why I lamed shink cause I was hoping this would bring the attention to least one KR member and same time I got killed by blaboo.

Dude. This was just straight unacceptable. Out of everything that happened last night, I chose NOT to get an admin, because it did not deem it. With this, trolling and arguing are not against the rules, and the flaming was very few and far between by both of you. The laming was NEVER witnessed, except for your rampage. I watched you literally chase EVERYONE you could find down to try and lame them. You ignored our pleas while you were doing it. Your explanation now is lackluster. You broke a rule so many times to get KR admin to help you? Dude. We're all humans here in KR, with lives. You should know, you play here a lot. There's about 30 of us active, but do you see more than 5-10 of us all the time? NO. We all have our own problems in the real world, like I'm sure you do. Trying to practice principles to prove a point on our server will work just as well in real world, very poorly. Please don't do that EVER again, under ANY circumstance. Log out before you get to that point. Take an hour and come back. Heck, stalk our forum's server status and wait for them to leave, then rejoin. THERE'S NO EGO TO DEFEND IN THIS GAME. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE, except for trolls, care about your kd ratio.

I personally think rogue was there , but she refused to do anything about it, I was trying to defend myself and they kept provoking me and later SKSteeles turned on me on next map by calling me madon weiner which I lamed him cause they kept making humping animations.

That's a pretty strong accusation. If Rogue didn't step in, I doubt it was because he refused. I know personally, I must decide whether to jump into what situation. Again, I am NOT admin, and if Rogue wants, he can speak for himself.

another thing I did to least get blaboo and ghost off me, I lamed couple others, in-hoping to spark free for all so they can draw blaboo and ghost off of me. at same time I wanted to make sure sksteeles was okay.

This was addressed above.

Dude, moral of the story: You're too much of a vet on our server to let trolls get to you. You don't have that excuse to get mad and act unruly. You do have a longgg history of overreacting, and with me, personally. Trolls know this, we know this. If you think someone is breaking a rule, and no one is there to help, or no one is helping, act like an adult. I'm asking you this favor ONCE bro. ACT LIKE THE ADULT YOU ARE. If ghost or blaboo wanna act like children, fine. Your gaming experience does NOT tie to the ADMIN ACTIONS taken. It only intersects in the fact that deciding to play with those children - your fault.

Ghost and Blaboo have no excuses left, don't lame and flame yourself to the same level of them, because youre not.

PS Im not proofreading for typos; this took long enough to put together.

With much respect,
Shinky.

[MadonLightstorm]

it was Ghost of JK3 Past and Lava World Blaboo and me (Madon Lightstorm & BlackXEyes)

again I will accept my ban also if necessary, And also its in the log if you wanna read it man, they did get me to lame also that's very hard thing to do, but at same time am well aware of my actions I thought I was trying to protect SKSteeles and also killing blaboo to get him off him, and that's when I went on a laming spree to try and get blaboo and ghost of jk3 past off me, but also while doing ghost of jk3 past also lamed half of dozen and so did blaboo.

just thought I was trying to help sksteeles before he also turned on me, which he I dunno why he did that though.

[MadonLightstorm]

reason why I was rampaging shink, both ghost of jk3 past and blaboo we're chasing me man, I was trying to spark free for all to get them off of me man

[MadonLightstorm]

reason why I said shink should be removed and rogue was clearly watching, she spent entire both maps AFK, how was I post to know you weren't admin, when someone told me you weren't I stopped but again , ghost of jk3 past and blaboo kept attacking me, but you refused to get another admin

[MadonLightstorm]

how do we know she wasn't watching the whole time rogue was, I've done it loads of times, put chat up and just sit there and watch, I was admin before long time ago I even took 2 month course, so I know how they work, and after it was all said and done she took her chat bubble off and logged off suspiciously.

[MadonLightstorm]

and when I looked at the screen I Saw 'Rogue' meaning she was there watching confirms my suspicions.

[Shink]

Madon:
1) First, everything is okay.
2) Please keep try to keep your thoughts to one reply. It's just easier for all.
3) I told you I was not admin since the beginning. You completely ignored my pms and public messages trying to appeal to you. Also mentioning I was not an admin. It's okay if you missed it, I know you were deep in argument. But understand, from my point of view, you ignored me, broke rules, demanded me to help, and then lamed me. That's what happened to ME last night.
4) Again, ANY KR's actions does not warrant a witch-hunt by any player not happy with them. We are not breaking any rules. I will say this in another way, it is VERY disrespectful to accuse a KR of being malicious. Our clan is based upon friendship and honor. I'm not saying malice can't happen, but unless you can provide clear negative intent by one of us, you're in the wrong by overtly asking ppl to vote us out of KR. You have NO power to summon admin commands like "silence" or "ban", and you have NO power to demand admin action, ONLY kindly request, WITHOUT judgement of our decisions. We're always here to help, and if we're not, it doesn't mean we're hurting you. IF you run with that and say things like you said, I would personally never listen to you. I would only respond to kind amsay reports or directly observed experiences. Again, that's my PERSONAL opinion, not representing the clan or current admins or their training.
5) Reread my first reply in full again please. Focus on the "get over it" parts.

[MadonLightstorm]

https://ibb.co/eLQWJv

here is blaboo laming under the name Satan lava world

[MadonLightstorm]

https://ibb.co/kZtwka

here he is again killing me again

[MadonLightstorm]

https://ibb.co/jJGtWF

here is blaboo again with third lame on me, I didn't have saber out, he just came at me and killed me for no reason

[Shink]

So, if you just respectfully posted this WHEN IT HAPPENED, without being like KR MUST BAN NOW, but rather "blaboo lamed me 3 times, and I thought I should report this because he ruined my experience. here's the screenshots, and thanks for your time and effort". I'm almost 100% sure this DID NOT OCCUR YESTERDAY. I was on during ffa1 and kitty was not on, nor was blaboo. Madon, can you confirm this? If not, my bad. I thought blaboo showed up right before yavin, again no kitty before or after. Maybe I'm crazy?

Either way friend, this in NO WAY resolves YOUR actions. You must understand that you feeding into ghost's trolling was an unintended mistake, and you shouldve never resorted to insulting/flaming him as much as you did. You laming everyone in revenge of not being listened to was an intentional mistake. No matter how much you explain what others did to you, it will never excuse breaking server rules, whether it be you, me, or anyone. If you break rules throughout someone trolling you, you are actually far more wrong than they are. So, figure it out. Plan how you are going to peacefully deal with trolls from this point on because brother, you got a BIGGGGG troll target on your back. If they don't break the rules, just annoy you, we cannot do anything but try to convince them to stop. If you're feeding it, you are just as much not listening. They WERE wrong, then with your actions, you're BOTH wrong. You said this before, so I know you know. This is not your trial to explain your actions; this is me trying to convince you to not do this again - at least try. Really. so one more time: you get trolled. they dont break the rules (please review our rules). you flame. they flame. they lame. you lame. The biggest difference here is YOU disrespected the crap outta of our clan, me and my close friends personally. Maybe Ghost was a smart enough troll to know to be respectful to me when I spoke to him. I got nothing outta you all night, with much effort, and then you saber me down.

So let's squash this finally:
1) our eye on ghost or blaboo has not changed and they know it.
2) my eye on you has increased, and you should know it. This is the second massive blow-out I've had with you breaking rules and going haywire, no matter the reason.
3) Admins are busy people who spend time out of their lives to log-in to effectively not enjoy themselves.
4) Unless you are 1000% sure someone is an admin, do not expect them to act like one. KR members make the clear decision whether or not to step into that role. Our choice of responsibility. When I log in to play in my 60+ hour work week, I want to have fun, not baby-sit. I am not an admin. As any non-admin KR member would, I tried to help to pure exhaustion. If things got out of control in the beginning, like at the end on yavin with you, I woulda call someone in. BUT I'm not disrupting another adult's life for a silly trolling argument. When it got to lamed spree, I was done. I wasn't going to call an admin in to deal with YOU because YOU were breaking rules, because you were clearly upset. I was watching YOUR back. Not saying blaboo wouldn't have broken a rule with an admin on too and got spoken to.

[Falcon]

Hey Madon - please refrain from spamming the forums.

[MadonLightstorm]

well this forum is 'anything goes' ain't it, well its indeed spam forum ain't it, mean if it was a general forum it wouldn't be spamming, am now gonna take screen shots of admins and lamers and suspicious admins, and I will take screen shots of admins not doing there jobs, I will take screen shots of admins ignoring lamers also.

another thing am gonna do, take screen shots of admins having little too much fun and ignoring dutys of admin, not doing there admin dutys.

[MadonLightstorm]

and did you know ghost of the jk3 past is darchind or bull fighter <--- this is what he does, he makes living out of it and you guys fell for it.

[Falcon]

Nowhere does it say "this is a spam forum". The same rules apply on our forums as those that apply on our server. Gather all your thoughts into one post from now on please.

Also as Jaw said we know about the individuals you speak of and are are taking the necessary actions to stop this behavior from happening. I'm sorry you've had a bad experience on server, but please know we cannot be everywhere at once and witness everything that happens on server. Also note that we cannot punish that which we do not see. Please do not mistake our lack of response for complacency or laziness; we are doing the best we can

If you have screenshots of wrongdoing on server please share them (in one post please!). Otherwise, as stated here, we are aware of the issue.

[MadonLightstorm]

that's not what one admin told me, you guys don't need evidence, you have the server logs, its all in there, one of your KR application voters told me, he also said 'every KR member is potential a judge' so its not surprised you said that , and reason shink said that, cause before you guys said 'we have 7 judges' and he said 'all KR members are potential judges' , and did say you guys do indeed read the server logs.

you one of admins also said you guys are mafia 'seeking out trueth and conspiracy', so tell why do you need evidence when you got the logs.

and I've seen jawfin countless times pull out the logs , on this forum, so why do you need me for.

now.. when you pulling out the logs I want you read all the logs from past 5-7 days.

[Mandalorian]

Logs are for text and console lines, ie. Rouge says hi in public chat, Frog says hi to Rogue through PM, and lines that say "Padawan defeated -[KR]-Cloud in a duel! 100/100 HP", etc. Stuff like that.

Yes, the logs can show that you were killed by / killed "blah", but it won't tell us visual details ie. if you were armed, if you had melee, was it an accident etc. That sort of stuff we need to see for ourselves or some type of screenshot or video proof.

[MadonLightstorm]

from my view point look at all of ghost of JK3 past text and at me and blaboo, and others involved and how ghost of jk3 past conviced shink to turn against me, ghost of jk3 past he was telling stories and stuff, shade kept telling him go write books but he continued, he's crazy, he was so crazy that , I even pretended that sksteeles and shade told me stuff, in order to get him duel of course, I wanted to see how crazy he was, he whacko man, and stories he tells remarkable and not true.

[MadonLightstorm]

but anyways am glad jawfin knows about those two, that am satisfied, I will say no more.

[Falcon]

To give you an idea of what you're asking - the logs from yesterday is 55,064 lines of text. The day before is 52,873. If you give me a specific time and day certain things happened I will look then, but otherwise we are not combing through >50,000 lines. And as Manda pointed out it is text only, doesn't give us a play by play video of what happened which is where screenshots come in!

Whoever told you that we do not need evidence was either lying or does not know our admin procedures. Pretty much everything you say you have heard from others is incorrect, (I don't even know where the notion of judges comes from). Also take into account people may have been joking with you, or straight out lying.

Now that all of that is settled, I will remind you again to please stop spamming with multiple posts. Gather all your thoughts into one post from now on please.

[MadonLightstorm]

This forum is for all the topics that don't fit anywhere else. Post anything from Hello's to Web Links.
Anything goes.

and I don't see any rules in this forum regarding spaming either, shouldn't there been forum rules thing in here, I don't see it, so I can pretty much do anything I want.

I also looked at the rules forum too, I didn't see a forum rules thread here or there either.