[Hime]

Okay.....I AM the bad guy in this case then from people's point of view

then I guess I shoulda done nothing then RIGHT?

the alley was dark the saftesy ay to get the guy away from my frd is to swing a kick fromt he side...so I wounldn't hit my frd....

and yea..HE WAS RAPING YMFRD
he had my frd on the ground with him on top
and I did stop after one kick....
It was such a situation that I cannot even think how hard I am going to do it...but rest asured...I didn't use 100%
I inly used about .....40% of my strength...plus I was rather tired that day...it was after my trainning

and on the side note....let see what would U do when you are me....

[saunby]

Im with you Hime, everyone is entitled their opinion but no-one apart from Hime was there so you cant criticise what she did, its like looking at one peice of unimportant evidence that points the finger one way and not looking at another peice of evidence which is much more important and would point the finger the other way.

[Tricky]

The world is full of liabilities and rules that force men to do good and bad. There are many approaches she could've taken, but I guarantee only but a handful would have no repercussions at all. There's very little time to sit and debate when action needs to be taken. It's either be yelled at for preventing a crime, or be yelled at for doing nothing. If I was in Hime's friend's spot, on the ground with a man on top of me about to rape me (I have weird fantasies), I would be overjoyed that Kana gave him a good whooping in the head. Far greater to have the villain punished, even if its somewhat severely, than to allow him to go unpunished at all, as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately, we all must do our jobs and duties, and follow procedure -- or whatever. I can't blame the cops for what they did, nor can I tell Kana she was wrong to kick so hard. It reminds me of a story from a family friend, who was also a martial artist. He was walking through a bad neighborhood and some strangers started following him, which he assumed were going to try to mug him. Instead of warding them off with fighting, he kicked a street sign and bent it a decent amount. In fear, the muggers headed off another way so he went and called the cops to inform them of a potential crime. When he told them that he damaged the street sign, he was fined for the act, despite having the rationale to damage a piece of metal instead of someone's body. Good luck finding a win-win situation in the real world, is all I have to say.

[Pulse]

wow...... i dunno what to say

[Darko]

he kicked a street sign and bent it a decent amount.

Personaly i think that was stupid. He could have called on a random house and asked to be let in there were guys following him. He could have ran. he could have given the people his things. Kicking a street lamp just to show his power was stupid, it was unlawful, and surprising coming from a so called martial artist.

Anyway.


In response to himes "what would you do in my shoes" question.

Hime, what we would do it irrelevant. Your the one with a blackbelt.

You were the one in that horrible situation Hime, but your the one with the *extensive* training to be able to properly deal with it.

But, as i said hime, we arnt the ones who were taught self control, think in combat, and be aware of our strength.

By the way, I am not trying to attack you hime. This is just my opinion.

[Kenshin]

*iv been taught self control ect.. *

it isnt as easy as it looks.. u need a lot of mental capability+ the fact she saw her friend get attacked.. some 1 tht is precious to her. its almost impossible for some 1 with her stenght(or w/e its spelled like) to not *damage* the guy..

as to himes question.. i dont know what id do in your shows.. cause iv never been in your shoes..

"*simulation*"
i would have grabbed the guy off and slammed him against a wall.. then uh kick him in the ribs and called the cops.. and then go see how my friend is doing and help him/her through it
"*simulation end*"


heh i know i havnt showed much enthusiasm to this topic is because i dont really wana cause a big argument over somthing so feeble as my comments.

[Pulse]

But 1 point still remains

Why was she down the ally in the first place?

[Hime]

the guy grabbed her and dragged her there

[Soulreaper]

see thats prime example #1 nv walk in the streets alone at night by yourslef in a city or u just might get mugged or other stuff people like that do

[SilverCloud]

Um.... I'm with Star on this one... If I had found my friend getting attacked by someone... I'da gone psyco... While I'm not strong enough to do any actual damage, I... honestly don't care.

I think HIME did the right thing. That guy (ironically) has the right to bring charges against her, but it's a small price to pay for kicking his ass (paying his medical bills would suck, though). I hope you guys get to press attempted rape after all that.

Always wishing your best, HIME.

[Tricky]

Personaly i think that was stupid. He could have called on a random house and asked to be let in there were guys following him. He could have ran. he could have given the people his things. Kicking a street lamp just to show his power was stupid, it was unlawful, and surprising coming from a so called martial artist.

A random house in a bad neighborhood is just as dangerous as a mugger. They probably would've chased him if he ran. The point was to not lose anything, nor was there any guarantee they wouldn't attack him anyway or if they had a weapon of some sort. It was a street sign not a lamp. The display of power was intentional, to ward them off without hurting them. I don't think you're gonna find many masters who teach their students that kicking a sign instead of a person in order to avoid conflict is stupid and unlawful. Probably the opposite. As a person who also learned Tae Kwon Do, and Hapkido, as well as performing in self-defense demonstrations, I would neither condemn nor insult either Hime or my family friend for doing what they did. Martial arts is a form of protection, and it does not specify who or how you must protect someone. Self-control is in the eye of the beholder. In the same respect that Hime should not have used so much strength, the man should have kept it in his pants.

PS: As much as I'd like to think that someone as yourself is capable of performing actions with no consequences, I think you're just making up excuses to seem perfect. Such as, you tell Hime you're not attacking her, yet you are mocking her by putting emphasis on words like "extensive." Stop saying one thing and doing another, sir, it's offensive to my master and everyone else who has to read that garbage.

[Chantelle]

I think the world is becoming a sorry state of affairs..

If this guy "WAS" attacking her and trying to rape her for truth..

I couldnt care if he was seriously hurt by the kick or not..

Hime in this circumstance should be given a bravery reward.


If he WAS a mugger and or a rapist let him get his comeuppance!


Also you have to put your mindset into the situation.. We can talk rationally about it now, however given the extremity of the situation you are faced in, the last you think of is "right how shall I go about this in an effective way thus reducing the largest reaction"

In that split second you see your friend being raped or attacked irrationality instincts and well rage can take over...

That is what humans are


ANY Crimnal who is a thief/ burlgar, rapist, mugger etc etc etc should NOT be able to cry human rights law IMHO... I think they wavered thier rights by infriging on other peoples..

[Melissa]

If he was attacking her..

If he had a damaged skull or damaged brain..

He thought it was okay to ruin someone elses life, he should not complain when it backfires.

Rightly or wrongly I know given the situation I wouldn't make any consideration to the attacker..

I have been in a situation where a group of lads were giving me a hard time taunghts and a few kept grabbing me in places... I managed to knee him and twatted his jaw (well sort of missed but clipped nicely if not quite as intentional!!!!)..

I did not and wouldnt not give any consideration to the assailant's well being.....

Personally although the law is screwed, id happily face some law consequences as long as my assailant got what was coming to their sorry life.

[Darko]

it isnt as easy as it looks.. u need a lot of mental capability+ the fact she saw her friend get attacked.. some 1 tht is precious to her. its almost impossible for some 1 with her stenght(or w/e its spelled like) to not *damage* the guy..

I dont think alot of you are seeing how advanced HIME is.
She's 7th-8th dan iaido.
That means shes more or less able to think on a higher level to most of us.

Alot of you are posting what you would do. Thats not the point.
My arguement is HIME's training. If HIME was someone like us than there would be no problem. But HIME's been trained most of her life to be able to handle with a situation involving controlled violence. In my opinion smashing a guys skull in a kick is not right comming from a sensai.

However, thats just my opinion.

[Chantelle]

Maybe...


Although I still think he get what he deserves..

[Nintendo]

Just cause someone learns professionally how to use a gun and has practice for years, doesn't mean he cant miss a shot.

Its not like she thought about exactly what she was doing. It was instinct that ran her at that moment. It happens to everyone at some point in time I dont care if you become 10th Dan. I mean if you guys have never read fighters such as Bruce Lee was challenged outside the movies and defeated the man utterly as said in one of his documentaries. The man was left injured even with Bruce just protecting himself. Martial Arts are used to defend oneself and those you love. As a martial artist and a human being Hime was obligated to help her friend instead of doing nothing. She did stop at one kick and she didn't use her full physical force to do it. As even you would agree Darko that a 7th-8th Dan would easily have the force to KILL someone with a single kick if not holding back. To me its like scolding a professional gunmen working for the police when he accidentally critically wounds(not kill) a man holding one of his loved ones hostage instead of disabling him by shooting him in one of his disabling points When he could have easily just killed the man with a bullet to the brain.

Personal Note: Im with Star as I hate rape to the point I would nearly (if not actually) kill someone over it. Its what I believe one of the three most hideous things an Adult man can do in his life (second being child molestation) (third being child murder).

[Kioshi]

you people are failing to see the point here. you can argue and argue for centuries and not come to a conclusion that everyone agrees with. Hime did not post here to have you guys fight over what she did she is getting enough of that in court. Hime posted here for support and knowledge so we would know what is going on and why she isn't on much and so we can wish her a safe return.

so stop turning this into your personal battlefield and realise that one of our friends needs our support and concern.

[Nintendo]

Note: Cant speak for everyone

I posted because I felt darko's opinion wasnt giving hime any support but instead it seemed like he was scolding her in her time of need. I said what I said cause I personally think that was uncalled for. Its a nice way to try and stop the fighting though kioshi but its best not to group people together in that manner as some may take alittle offense.

Kioshi's point remains valid however. If you dont have anything supporting to say to hime in this topic then keep it to yourself and not talk about it here.

[Darko]

wasnt giving hime any support but instead it seemed like he was scolding her in her time of need.

Sorry mate, but critically injuring a person is uncalled for nomatter what the situation. The guy obviously needs help, he could have been disabled and locked up, not nearly killed and locked up.

[Sidious]

Well all i have to say is gj hime for protecting your friend and doing what you thought was the right thing to do. This is for darko who cant seem to shut up: How in the hell is anyone supposed to know that a kick like that is going to fracture someones skull, for all we know this guy could have had a previous injury to the head and all it took was a good wack on the head to really do him in. I just dont see why anyone would try to take what hime did and make it look as if it was the wring thing to do, If you like to criticise people that much than i would suggest taking this conversation elsewhere.

[Melissa]

I thought apart from Darko disputing her action it was support.. So while I do agree with what you say Kioshi, you are preaching to the converted.

I was mereley saying I woudl have done the same..

An assaliant wavers their rights as soon as they become one I believe.. If someone wants to rape or murder someone which as a result they get seriously injured or die, I dont see why the defendant should be prosecuted.

It was more of a clarification of the justice system doesnt pay justice.

[Darko]

Well iv put in my view,

Sorry to hear your having troubles with the cops HIME,

Sorry to hear about your friend, i hope shes ok.

Darko out.

[Nintendo]

Oh and Side note. Raping someone us also unacceptable in any situation.

Lol couldnt be me or star...but I guess were just insane old men anyways....back in the day we would of killed him lol.

[Kane]

Hmm kinda dont want to ressurrect this but as a black sash Muay Thai boxer, I'll just say I woulda done the exact same thing.... and least the guy will never do it again.

Though technically... it cant be classed as self defence unless directly threatened by the guy, bloke had it coming... you shoulda kicked him in the nuts Hime... much more satisfying

[Hime]

Just a little heads up on my situation....I was brought to court....it seems the guy had couple of sexual offense before against some other women....
the judge looked at my file and he just let go
not to mention he laughed about it

so dun njeed to pay for anything......and the guy was jailed...for good this time