[CountBoognish]

Hello KR

Last April I was banned for constantly reconnecting out of punishment. When I had come onto the server that fateful april fools day I was minding my own business when I walked in on some KR member (Raven) dueling someone in the dueling room in the large korriban map. Upon entering the dueling room I was immediately spammed with "leave the punished alone or join them" admin binds. I was confused as those binds were only used for people who were on top of sleepers, and I was nowhere near the vicinity of the spamming KR member so I continued to train in the room not knowing that the binds were directed at me. I was then slept, which I protested but the admin didn't care.

This whole situation was weird because not only was I slept for being in the same room as an admin (a publicly available to use room) but I was also slept for being near an admin who was dueling someone in order to teach them how to "not lame" or something. First, what am I possibly doing to get in the way of you in a duel, second, why can't you use one of the many out-of-map areas to "teach" someone, you know, one of those areas that you teleported me to so I could sleep out my punishment? Lastly, the player who was being punished wasn't even sleeping! I've been coming to this server for years and I've never been yelled at for being in the same room as someone who wasn't even sleeping.

Anyway after pointing out the obvious admin abuse the Raven got mad and wouldn't let me up, so I went to grab fraps (figured it would've been helpful in this situation) but my minimizer broke my game. I relaunched+reconnected. I informed Raven that I reconnected, /slept myself and made no effort to rejoin the server activities. Despite this, Raven still treated me like a brazillianaire lamer who was reconnecting out of punishment and I was kicked out of the server over and over again. I reconnected many times until I was banned for reconnecting out of punishment.

I will apologize for my behavior after I was slept - reconnecting out of punishment is against the rules no matter what, even if my initial punishment was clear admin abuse. I'm sorry that other KR members had to deal with that, I should've just logged for the day. It won't happen again.

If I have any suggestions for the server moderators I think I and many others would appreciate it if you asked us to politely do something instead of just spamming your binds over and over.. this whole situation could've been avoided if the KR member had told me "Hey poopchest, I need some space to teach this new player about laming, could you leave for a sec?"


Thanks for any and all responses.
~Poopchest

[jawfin]

Well, congratulations Poopchest, you managed to get yourself banned by RaVeN which is not an easy thing to do, and who I may add was very detailed as to the reasons why.

As she isn't that active we won't wait too long for her to respond to your post, but we will give her a chance.

For the leaders note all the posts in this thread in relation to this ban: -
http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... &start=744

[CountBoognish]

Ah, that's the one! Raven. My only wishes are that I have been as or potentially more descriptive of the ban than Raven, from my own point of view. Hopefully we can reach a point of agreement and understanding.

~Poopchest

[jawfin]

It would appear RaVeN is lost, so I will lift you ban.

[RaVeN]

Nope I'm here,

And boy-golly-jee, that is a nice story you told...but…you know it isn't the truth.

This whole situation was weird because not only was I slept for being in the same room as an admin

OMG! that's so weird right?? Like OMG!
...if only it was that easy. IF ONLY.

you forgot to mention that you were nonstop NONSTOP hugging both me and the lamer.

How many times would you say I did clicked the bind to leave me and the lamer alone?
8?

And how many hugs would you say you spammed?
100?

It was just the three of us in the room. So please, tell me, who did you think I was talking to??
Better yet, what is the best action that you think you should have done in this situation?

OBVIOUSLY LET’S SPAM HUG EVERYONE!!!

no.

Your punishment was 100% deserved. I'm sorry that your memory is failing here.

Lastly, the player who was being punished wasn't even sleeping!

OMG THE HORROR!!!

An..admin…adminning someone without sleeping them?? What will the neighbors think?!?

After I dealt with the NON-ENGLISH speaking lamer (which was why I was showing them what laming is - hint hint - why they were not slept AT THAT MOMENT) I then turned my attention to you.

And what did I ask you?
hmm?

Oh? omg I’m…I’m so sorry, does your memory fail here too?

I'll fill in the blank for you because I've done this...oh, I'd say as many times as you hugged me that day 100 fold.

I asked you - ”Will you agree to follow the server rules and obey KR admins?"

And what did you reply?
How about instead of giving me a "yep" which would have SOLVED this whole issue, or as you said:

this whole situation could've been avoided

(Amen brother, amen...mmm I feel those words of wisdom right there.)

you instead wanted to debate!
All I got out of you was debate debate debate.

There is no debate sugarplum. I made it very clear we were in a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ moment there and you choose not to chose. Therefore, you got a time out.
Convenient then that, in your story, your game like omg it just happens to crash goshdarnit!!! Oh geezlouis what are the chances! I mean can you believe it?

Yawn.

You were a unapologetic recon monkey until your ban.

Punishment was deserved, Kick was deserved, Ban was deserved.

Now on top of everything you are now a liar sir.
I have called you out, you liar.

Here is my story I wrote out at the time:

I was admining another lamer at the time who didn't speak english. I was running this guy through the drills of trying to illustrate what laming is when this guy interrupted by running up and hugging us both over and over and over again.

I did my bind to stay away or you will also get punished about four times but he kept running around and hugging us. So I slept him and put him off to the side while I continued teaching the russian. After I was done, I let the russian player go and switched focus to Chest.

He greeted me with "hi mom"...well we're not off to a good start.
I asked him if he understood why he was punished. He said 'nope.' I then outlined why I had punished him and I asked him if he would pay more attention to admins next time (all I needed was a 'yes' and the whole situation would have been over.)

Instead, he wanted to have further conversation about the logistics of my actions and he referred to me as "mom" again. I have 0 patience for players like this. I'm not here to have a conversation with you where we dive into the theory of admin. I would rather spend that 30 minutes hanging out with KR members. You either agree to follow the rules or you don't.

After a bit of back and forth I left him and told him to contact me when he wanted to be serious. He contacted me a few times but each time proved that he was not serious. However, each time he wanted to talk to me I was available and responded.
After a bit of silence on his end he start posting in public about how I'm some tyrant or something like that. I was about to amsilence him when he disco'ed and reconnected.

When he popped back on I again slept him and teleported him back to me. I told him that since he disco'ed out of punishment I technically could ban him, but that I didn't want to. I would rather he listened to and obey KR admins when being punished, and that now I would put him in a 5 minute time out.
He called me mom yet again, which at this point was now funny to me, because I put him in time out so sure the label works.
But then he said it wouldn't be the first time he was banned under false pretenses. <-- don't know what that means but it was very telling at the time that this guy was a bad apple. Then he continued to be rude and disrespectful.

At this point it was clear that this guy was not planning on following our rules or listening to admins, and definitely not in any respectful way. I asked him then if he wanted me to ban him, because that would save us both a lot of time - to which he said he didn't care or something like that (the logs would be more accurate) but basically not a NO.

I wont help someone that wont help themselves, so I banned him.

[jawfin]

I been overruled! First banner has call - and due to the circumstances your ban has been re-instated.

[CountBoognish]

I feel that the response from Raven was *extremely* defensive, but I will try to address it clearly and maturely enough.

I'm not here to lie to you, I'm simply trying to recall everything that happened 5 months ago.

Forgive me, I will need some time to go over your post and respond to everything coherently.

[CountBoognish]

Alright so I'm going to respond to Raven's post bit by bit, mostly so you can see exactly where I'm coming from.

you forgot to mention that you were nonstop NONSTOP hugging both me and the lamer.

Since when is /amhugging against the rules? If you have a problem with being hugged, I suggest you either go to a different spot, ask me to stop, make a rule about it, disable it from the server like /amkiss, or kill me since I have fists up 99 percent of the time.

How many times would you say I did clicked the bind to leave me and the lamer alone?
8?

Again, I've been coming to this server for years and I've only been spammed that bind if I'm near an admin that's sleeping another player. Theres no *official* rule for this, but I've always followed it because the admins are just trying to do their job + keep the fun. Now, when I go into a room and suddenly an admin is telling me to stay away from the punished, and I don't see anybody being punished in the room I'm in (not being slept, etc) then how am I supposed to react? Perhaps if you simply asked me like a human being and not a bind robot something along the lines of "Hey poopchest, I'm trying to teach this guy how not to lame, can you leave or stop hugging us please?" i wouldn't have much defense.

It was just the three of us in the room. So please, tell me, who did you think I was talking to??
Better yet, what is the best action that you think you should have done in this situation?

Well I thought you could be talking to the russian guy, or perhaps you were hitting the wrong bind key and not noticing it. Maybe there was someone in the room that I didn't see. Point is, you were telling me to stay away from the punished when there was nobody being slept. The best thing I could've done in this situation would have just had been to have left the room, but curiosity got the best of me that day and I wanted to see if I was actually going to be punished for doing (what I thought in my mind) nothing wrong.

CountBoognish wrote:Lastly, the player who was being punished wasn't even sleeping!
OMG THE HORROR!!!

An..admin…adminning someone without sleeping them?? What will the neighbors think?!?

Again, the point is that the player in question wasn't being "punished" yet you slept me for being near someone that was "being punished."

After I dealt with the NON-ENGLISH speaking lamer (which was why I was showing them what laming is - hint hint - why they were not slept AT THAT MOMENT) I then turned my attention to you.

I'm sorry- what did you hope to accomplish by "teaching" some russian how not to lame? Unless you know how to speak Russian well you're not going to be able to tell them about the freaking laming rule, lol... Pretty sure that guy right after you were done with him proceeded to lame everyone in the server anyway sooooo

Oh? omg I’m…I’m so sorry, does your memory fail here too?

I don't have access to logs and I'm trying to remember what happened to me on a Star Wars video game 5 months ago.

I asked you - ”Will you agree to follow the server rules and obey KR admins?"

And what did you reply?
How about instead of giving me a "yep" which would have SOLVED this whole issue, or as you said:
CountBoognish wrote:this whole situation could've been avoided
(Amen brother, amen...mmm I feel those words of wisdom right there.)


you instead wanted to debate!
All I got out of you was debate debate debate.

There is no debate sugarplum. I made it very clear we were in a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ moment there and you choose not to chose. Therefore, you got a time out.

You're right, I could've just said "yes." However, since I know I was slept for no reason (as explained above) I didn't want to. I was willing to sleep for however long till I logged out for the night or until someone said I could get up. I didn't have to give you an answer, since you would just leave me sleeping and mindtricked into that room forever. No rules broken here, I just don't have to say "yes" to you.

Convenient then that, in your story, your game like omg it just happens to crash goshdarnit!!! Oh geezlouis what are the chances! I mean can you believe it?

Like I said, I knew I was being admin abused so I went to grab fraps and my game black screened, which happens sometimes when I try to minimize it. I even explained this to you in-game chat. If you'd like, I can upload a video of this phenomenon happening. The only reason I decided to reconnect to the server was because I know that people have been banned for simply disconnecting out of punishment before.

Now on top of everything you are now a liar sir.
I have called you out, you liar.

Can you please point out where exactly in my story I'm lying? If you're talking about the "not being in the vicinity of the spamming KR member" that was incorrect information, and If I could rewrite that I would instead say that I was "not in the vicinity of anyone who was being punished." Forgive me, I'm trying my best to remember here. It doesn't change the timeline of events of what happened, though.

Not elucidating on certain information is not lying, neither is telling the story from my point of view. Just because I didn't remember hugging you doesn't make my information or the fact that my /amsleep wasn't deserved incorrect.

[CountBoognish]

I did my bind to stay away or you will also get punished about four times but he kept running around and hugging us. So I slept him and put him off to the side while I continued teaching the russian. After I was done, I let the russian player go and switched focus to Chest.

Well how many times was it? 4 or 8 times? Jeeze, you inability to recall how many times you exactly pressed your bind must mean you're a liar!
kidding, kidding..

He greeted me with "hi mom"...well we're not off to a good start.
I asked him if he understood why he was punished. He said 'nope.' I then outlined why I had punished him and I asked him if he would pay more attention to admins next time (all I needed was a 'yes' and the whole situation would have been over.)

Throughout this entire story you seem peeved that I addressed you as "mom" even though I address many people on the server that way... It's completely meaningless and inoffensive so I don't get why we are immediately off to a "bad start."

Instead, he wanted to have further conversation about the logistics of my actions and he referred to me as "mom" again. I have 0 patience for players like this. I'm not here to have a conversation with you where we dive into the theory of admin. I would rather spend that 30 minutes hanging out with KR members. You either agree to follow the rules or you don't.

I have followed the server rules, and I was slept for breaking none of them. All I explained to you in this "conversation about the logistics of your actions" was that I wished you had told me to leave instead of bindspamming. Also, why would I say yes to accepting a punishment that I know was wrong after I was talked down onto the entire time? Despite the fact that I have been extremely respectful and courteous on my forum posts, you refuse to do the same and now you're talking down on me again by calling me things like "sugarplum." You might argue that I did the same thing to you when I addressed you as "mom" but that's not exactly something someone says when they want to talk down on someone. Usually they use words like "hon" "honey" "cutey" etc, and I call half of the other players on this server mom anyway so it's really not the same thing. This entire time you were demanding respect *from* me when there was no respect *to* me and the logs can confirm this.

After a bit of back and forth I left him and told him to contact me when he wanted to be serious. He contacted me a few times but each time proved that he was not serious. However, each time he wanted to talk to me I was available and responded.

You kept coming back to me. Whenever I said something you teleported to me and tried to explain why I'm such a bad person for not saying "yes or no" to you. In my deep and personal opinion, I just think you were upset because I wasn't giving you the time of day. Am I incorrect?

When he popped back on I again slept him and teleported him back to me. I told him that since he disco'ed out of punishment I technically could ban him, but that I didn't want to. I would rather he listened to and obey KR admins when being punished, and that now I would put him in a 5 minute time out.
He called me mom yet again, which at this point was now funny to me, because I put him in time out so sure the label works.

Like I stated before, when I reconnected I /slept myself, informed you that I had reconnected, and made zero effort to return to the normal server activities. Yet despite all this, you threatened to now ban me for reconnecting out of a punishment that had stemmed from what I perceive as not breaking any of the KR rules. Do you see where I'm coming from? Also, that "5 minute timeout" turned into a "20 minute timeout" before you even acknowledged me again.

But then he said it wouldn't be the first time he was banned under false pretenses. <-- don't know what that means but it was very telling at the time that this guy was a bad apple. Then he continued to be rude and disrespectful.

I've been banned or kicked or otherwise exiled from this server for many things. I've been banned because of my name. I've been banned for keeping admins in chain-grabs. I've even been banned for posting the KR servers OWN IP ADDRESS into the chat. Now, the admins have made it clear my name is fine, chain grabs are fine, and I get banned for no reason sometimes. It all has to do with some admins being less informed what the exact rules are and act too hastily, and it's okay. I feel like that is happening here, too.

At this point it was clear that this guy was not planning on following our rules or listening to admins, and definitely not in any respectful way. I asked him then if he wanted me to ban him, because that would save us both a lot of time - to which he said he didn't care or something like that (the logs would be more accurate) but basically not a NO.

I gave a non-answer. I didn't want to grovel on the floor and say "oh no please don't ban me mr adminson i promise ill be good" but I also didn't want to say yes because then I'd have to go through the pain of filing an unban request (oops) Plus it didn't make any sense- I was told I was going to be given a 5 minute time out and then after 20 minutes you're back telling me that you're going to ban me.

I wont help someone that wont help themselves, so I banned him.

So you banned me for not giving you a straight answer.

...

Okay so heres the deal, I know there are some things that I could have said that day that would have prevented this from happening. I know that my popularity isn't very high with some of the KR admins, and while I think that's kinda understandable, I want everyone to know a few things.

1. I haven't lamed on this server in YEARS. When I first came to KR I will admit that I kicked people down bottomless pits every now and then, but that wasn't fun so I stopped. That was 3 years ago. If I am slept for laming it's always because it was accidental, and I always comply with admins when that happens.

2. I do not flame other users. I never told them to "git gud." I never pranced around new players and told them that they suck. I never cursed at another player. I never called another person a "monkey." Hell, I've never even described someone or something as "retarded".

3. I play fair. I don't whine when people kill me when I have melee out (which is all the time) I don't grapple or fly away if someone knocks me from a tall place, I don't grapple spam, and I try to get along with people, maybe make one or two people laugh every now and then.

4. I've made friends on the server, including KR members. I don't dislike you guys, even when you ban me, and there are lots of really cool people on this server and in your clan.

5. Some of your negative attitudes towards me might come from the fact that I have been impersonated many times before

6. I follow all the rules outline here: http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... hp?f=5&t=7

7. If someone asks me to stop doing something instead of spamming binds (such as fighting, standing in front of teleporters, chaingrabbing) I always stop. Always.

With all of this in mind, I feel like my ban was out of place, unwarranted, and caused by the fact that Raven wasn't active enough to understand that I am not someone who breaks KR rules, instead treating me like a "brazillionaire reconner" or a "recon monkey"

Lastly, I'm not here to file some sort of admin complaint against Raven. I had no clue at the time because in my long time of coming to the server I had never, ever seen Raven before (I assumed that she was a new mod or something) which made me also think that my punishment was due to inexperience. "Perhaps this KR member doesn't know the ropes yet" I thought. Anyway, filing an admin complaint against a founding member who has this much influence over the clan would just be a waste of time. All I want to do by giving my account of the ban is to make you realize my side of the story, that it won't happen again, and that I would like to be unbanned.

I know that when you get right down to it this ban is because I recon'd out of punishment, but I sincerely hope that with everything that I have covered so far that you will be able to see things from my perspective. I know that the Poopchest "character" has had some controversy since it's gotten in trouble since I've started playing, but I feel that even those moderations have served to benefit the server. It helps clear some things up about what is allowed and what isn't allowed on the server... For example, can someone with the name "Poopchest" be allowed to play on the server or is that offensive? Are chaingrabs laming? Are we really allowed to punish a player for this? Is someone who isn't sleeping still technically being "punished" despite having no punishment commands placed on them?
I really don't hold any ill-will towards you either Raven. You were just trying to do your job and teach some guy how to play on the server and I was pestering you. However, a permanent ban for this instance just seems out of place.
I really do not think a permanent ban is necessary given the circumstances. I'm sorry for that and it won't happen again. I feel like 5 months is an appropriate amount of time to ban me for my actions, such as reconnecting out of punishment. I hope that these long wall of texts make it clear that I am serious and ready to come back to civilization. if you have a vent or a channel where I can talk to you more directly I'd be more than willing to.

I would appreciate any and all responses but I only request that I'm given a little less time than 3 weeks between responses... Everyone else who files an admin complaint gets an answer relatively quickly...



~Poopchest

[Uscari]

I don't think anyone has said that your ban will be permanent, but maybe they don't feel like that option should be addressed at the moment. Hearing this from your perspective, I wouldn't expect this ban to last any where near 5 months. I've seen people get unbanned sooner than you for doing greater crimes than reconnecting out of punishment.

At any rate, I feel a lot of this situation is communication based, maybe you weren't doing anything criminal, but the admin here saw you obstructing her from doing her job, and felt it necessary to act, and if it were a different situation, with either of you coming into it with a different mentality, I suspect it would have ended much differently. We can at least exit this topic knowing that you both shared your piece, and hopefully some understanding of one another will come of it.

If I were in the position to unban you, assuming the information provided here is mostly true, I likely would, but obviously its not my choice, so we'll have to see if the council who responds to you will feel the optimism I do that your future here won't cause us too much trouble.

[CountBoognish]

If I were in the position to unban you, assuming the information provided here is mostly true, I likely would, but obviously its not my choice, so we'll have to see if the council who responds to you will feel the optimism I do that your future here won't cause us too much trouble.

Thank you for the thought out reply.

I would just like to add this, Jawfin's own stance on the amhugging issue, since that was a prominent reason why Raven slept me.



Are we waiting for another response from Raven, or is the matter being discussed? I thought unbans were determined by council vote?

~Poopchest

[Uscari]

Well Jaw gave Rav the option of choosing to keep your ban as it is, and ordinarilly the council does coordinate on whether to keep a ban in place or not, but obviously since council are all-powerful, they can choose to continue punting to Rav if they want. At this point, I'm not sure if your post will compel them to change course, as I understand this, Rav is addressing the issue.

With respect to your invocation of Jaw's quote, it is important to make a distinction between annoying someone and obstructing an admin from doing their job. I'm not sure if the council would judge this instance of hug-spamming as obstructing an admin to work with a lamer, but if they do, than Jaw's position on annoyances would not contradict the current verdict here. It is fair to admit that there are many ambiguities regarding our use of admin, and with Rav being the creator of our proccess for teaching admins, I can assure you she would never intend to break the code she fought so hard to install in our order.

Whatever Rav did to you, I'm sure she did out of genuine concern that you were obstructing her ability to protect the server, and if any inappropriate use of admin occurred, it was certainly due to miscommunication on either/both sides, and not for any malicious intent. I'm not saying you are accusing her of this, but I feel it is important to mention.

[Falcon]

@Uscari - http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... 14&t=12651

@Boongish - Rav is the one who banned you so she will need to be the one to either lock this topic (denial) or lift your ban. In short - we are waiting on her.

[CountBoognish]

@Uscari - http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... 14&t=12651

@Boongish - Rav is the one who banned you so she will need to be the one to either lock this topic (denial) or lift your ban. In short - we are waiting on her.

Okay... I really don't want this to become a long drawn out process so whatever I can do to make this go as smooth and fast as possible, without waiting 3 weeks between responses, I am willing to do.

[RaVeN]

(I'm not a founding member of KR)

I appreciate that you took the time to write out your reply. It looks like you put a lot of thought into it, and maybe even a few drafts.
Giving yourself space to write out your thoughts and feelings lets others empathize with your frustration from my post.

Frustration. I'll come back to that, but for now I'll drop the act.


You mentioned before that admins should take lamers away to some part of the map that is inaccessible.

While moving a lamer to an inaccessible location is best practices, I really feel like I need to mention that the entire surface/boundary of our server is KR admin-able, whether it is accessible or not. If a KR admin needs to admin a lamer in the middle of an FFA spot, they can - though this is strongly discourage. For sure, KR admins will do what they can, but any spot on the server is an admin-able spot.
Please understand, it isn't your place to define admin-able spaces on the server, nor is using this as a point of argument or as an excuse.

With that in mind, I did take my lamer to secluded spot on the Korriban map. Players will know this place as the room across the canyon from the throne room. (The room with 3 teleports to other places).

Since when is /amhugging against the rules? If you have a problem with being hugged, I suggest you either go to a different spot, ask me to stop, make a rule about it, disable it from the server like /amkiss, or kill me since I have fists up 99 percent of the time.

Perhaps if you simply asked me like a human being and not a bind robot something along the lines of "Hey poopchest, I'm trying to teach this guy how not to lame, can you leave or stop hugging us please?" i wouldn't have much defense.

In a perfect world, I agree you. That would be really nice; me going up to you and asking you to leave. KR admins would also not have to use our binds to warn lamers too, we could easily talk to them to stop. No one would need to use binds.
And maybe that's because there woundn't be lamers...cause it's a perfect world.

KR admins, and actually every server I've been to that has admins, use binds. They are helpful and are part of the admin toolkit.
(deleted two paragraphs - I don't think I need to get into the reasons why binds are helpful).

To KR admins, the "leave the punished alone or you will be punished" bind is enough. Binds are classified as a verbal warning in our rules.
Sure, if the admin has time to explain in more detail in chat about what is going on they will. However, in mid-conversation, my hands were full at that moment trying to keep the attention of the Russian lamer.
You can not use my use of binds to warn you as an excuse of you not knowing the rules.

As I mentioned before, KR admins are not limited to only sleeping punished players. KR admins are given the freedom to try to admin the way they think will work best in the moment, as long as they still comply with the admin procedure.
In this moment I needed to show the Russian lamer, as I have done with many non-english speaking lamers, physically what laming is. This is not your place to question my admin tactics with non-english speaking lamers, or use it as an excuse for your own behavior.

I'm now done defending myself on punishing you. I slept you, and it was a justified action.
However everything that comes after stems from your inability in the moment to understand these above facts. Even after I explained myself as to why I slept you.

You're right, I could've just said "yes." However, since I know I was slept for no reason (as explained above) I didn't want to. I was willing to sleep for however long till I logged out for the night or until someone said I could get up. I didn't have to give you an answer, since you would just leave me sleeping and mindtricked into that room forever. No rules broken here, I just don't have to say "yes" to you.

You did not care that I warned you ahead of time with binds.
You did not care that I was admining someone that was not slept, and that I can do that.
You did not care that I can admin someone anywhere on the server map that I see fit.

I think the only thing we both agreed on at the time was how stupid this whole thing was.

You could/would not answer my simple question that would have released you from sleep. You were being difficult for difficult's sake, as you've said. And the only direction our conversation kept going in was a circle, by your design. It was you that kept pushing the admin procedure further and further down the road out of arrogant stubbornness. In the industry we call people like this 'trolls'.

In my deep and personal opinion, I just think you were upset because I wasn't giving you the time of day. Am I incorrect?

I don't agree with that. I don't ban someone because they are not paying attention to me. I ban someone because they continue to break the rules while showing no signs of complying.
However I do fully agree with you that being banned for hugging is really really stupid.
But, you see, your ban was also of your own design.



But let's bring this to the present. I saw this admin complaint and decided I wanted to show you a mirror, because I wanted to reflect how defensive and stubborn you were being back then - nice of you to notice

The role I decided to play was that of a 'valley girl' cause 1, it's fun...and I found this whole thing quite lame.
But 2, I thought that would get even more on your nerves, and hopefully make you feel frustrated.
Frustrated from dealing with someone unreasonable.

[CountBoognish]

response

Thank you for the response here, I do appreciate the less defensive reply and I'm not going out of my way to attack you, I just want to play on your guys's server every now and then because it's fun

SOO going back to what you asked me when you slept me,

”Will you agree to follow the server rules and obey KR admins?"

100 percent yes. I won't try to egg on admins and I won't interfere when they are trying to just do their job.

~Poopchest

[RaVeN]

Very well, let's clean slate this

~I approve of his unbanning~
thank you

[jawfin]

Ban lifted. Please let me know if the firewall still hits you as there were several rules built around your connection.