[Force]

6:34
4:48
10:41

>Holywarrior lames in a duel
>Holywarrior breaks the kr member agreement about honourable dueling by intentionally attacking a lagging player
>Holywarrior abuses his admin to silence somebody instead of saying sorry even once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK6WBIFM-lg

Pathetic.
Simply pathetic.

By the way, the KR member going by the name of "Key" didn't want to watch the video so I released it here instead. Have fun passerbys, and who knows maybe KR will finally take admin away the kid.

[jawfin]

Are you for real?

Its 4:48 in to get to the event - but to save that effort here is the relevant screenshots: -








And what it shows is you lagging for about half a second as you were jumping away from him, another second where the lag has completely gone (as the lagometer shows) and the next second when he hits as as you run forwards.

It may be relevant also to point out that hitting a lagged player is not laming, it may not be polite or honorable, but its not actually laming (even if HW did do this).

I honestly have to echo his words "you kidding me?"


Try not to chat during duelling if it can be helped, that way the person you are fighting isn't forced to abandon his attack or worse hit you when you're supposed to be fighting.

[Uscari]

Well, personally, I think there are some things to address here.

I can't speak about the lagging issue, as I can't verify how well in control you were or what he was able to perceive before hitting you, so clearly he can't be faulted for that charge of violating member rules.

As for the ''laming'' at 6:34, I heard his saber activate the MOMENT you put chat down, so technically he did not lame you. However, he did break a rule of KR honor by preying on a paused combatant, waiting to strike before you could recover your awareness of the fight. That is dishonorable, and I would have that checked out.

Now the biggest problem was the silence. Although it was not fair to trumpet your complaints in public chat, it doesn't seem punishable to me, and it looks almost like you were being silenced so that others did not catch on to Holy's dishonorable conduct during you're duel, which would be clear admin abuse.

So, lets review the charges, at least from my perspective.

Lag Hit=NOT GUILTY(4:48)
Lame=NOT GUILTY(6:34)
Dishonorable Conduct during a Duel=GUILTY(6:34)
Unjustified Silence=GUILTY(10:41)

Of course, this is just my take on the video, and what our higher ranking officer say on the matter will be crucial to better understanding these charges.

[Jack Skywalker]

- If you lag with saber up, you're attackable. There is no rule about that.

- At the moment you put your chat down, you become attackable, so you can't cry "lame" just because it was too fast.

- About the silence, I don't know exactly, the Council can answer that.

[jawfin]

Honestly with respect to the silence I didn't get that far into the video - and as it didn't happen today I didn't bother go looking through the archives of the logs.
It was ironic that force called HW mean when he went and followed that up with a tirade of insults - which is when I stopped watching. If I had any advice I would recommend when being trolled not to answer - especially during a duel. I'll wait for HW to post before I think anything needs be done, and when I have the time for such I'll search through the logs looking for this event. I don't suppose we know when this happened? I am assuming this week sometime.

[Frog]

Hmm. Interesting. However, you forgot one minor detail:




Anyways, I don't see this as a overly huge issue; Chances are, it wasn't a intentional lame. I don't think Warrior wanted to make your day bad by laming or anything. Should wait though for his reply. :>

[RaVeN]

Hey Force,

I reviewed the video and here are my thoughts. You are very off on what are and are not KR rules.
As other KR members have mentioned here, the first offense about lag? KR doesn't have that rule.
You were mistaken.

Your second accusation of him laming is also not correct. While HW was definitely pushing KR rules to the limit there, he didn't break any of them. KR does not have a 2 second chat window rule.

As for your third point; It's worth noting that KR also has a rule against flaming or provoking players on the server, and you are most definitely provoking HW.
In the future, while you are on KR's server, you might want to have these types of conversations in PM instead of posting them to public where you will get silenced. (turn off your caps lock key while you're at it.)

HW also warned you to drop the conversation (he even said "Please") or you would be silenced.
Not obeying an KR admin is punishable.
Being disrespectful to a KR admin is silence-able. These are actual KR rules

HW's punishment, if any, will come from the Council, so we will see what they say on the matter.

However, another piece of advice I'll share with you is, dude...when you present yourself to a clan that is based on honor, like KR, where you then preach about what is and what is not honorable....please, next time, check your ego at the door.
Being humble will take your complaint further and earn you more respect than bragging on your Youtube video about how you are one of the best players in the game - which awards you zero points, and as a matter fact chips away at the very argument you are trying to make - Honorable.

[Clank]

- Claims hes one of the best players to this day
- Doesnt know what laming is
- Whines about getting hit when lagged for a second
- Claims it is laming
- Tries to joke about it in the start
- Starts trolling
- Makes a whole serious drama about it
- Wastes our time with this...

Nothing I havent seen in the past, just one of many...

[Sakito]

XD Force, your pretty good at saber as far as i know you but this is like... out of the ordinary, even for you x.x

[Key]

for the record, I watched the video but dismissed it as I believed you were incorrect and there was no issue to be processed

EDIT *
Just like to add, the only thing that HW did wrong was get annoyed and seemingly silence you out of spite. However you antagonized him quite a bit, so the fault still belongs to you (does that entirely justify the silence? no but it wouldn't have happened had you not gone doodoo-mad)

[HolyWarrior]

- If you lag with saber up, you're attackable. There is no rule about that.

- At the moment you put your chat down, you become attackable, so you can't cry "lame" just because it was too fast.

- About the silence, I don't know exactly, the Council can answer that.

I couldn't have said it better myself. That's the truth. I never would attack anyone in the middle of a duel. And you said i lagged and hit you on purpose and said i broke the rules. I find that very silly and i disagree with you. I never lag and everyone knows Jedi Academy servers can be laggy from time to time. The game is quite simply that old. Sorry you took too much amount of time to make a complaint over a simple lag and error. I really hope this doesn't put you off from visiting KR servers. We make sure our players have fair gameplay experience and we follow all rules provided by the owner. Please drop by anytime and enjoy your time there if you'd like.

[HolyWarrior]

- Claims hes one of the best players to this day
- Doesnt know what laming is
- Whines about getting hit when lagged for a second
- Claims it is laming
- Tries to joke about it in the start
- Starts trolling
- Makes a whole serious drama about it
- Wastes our time with this...

Nothing I havent seen in the past, just one of many...

Glad Clank can see right through this issue. I am glad this thread is solved once for all. Thanks to Rogue for letting me know about the complaints on forums. This won't stop my visiting to forums from now on.. I need to visit more. Thanks for watching out for me i appreciate it fellas.

[Rogue]

Alright, I want to response to this, as my answers would be the same as other have mentions.

1) Lagging - There's no rules that stated about lagging. Why, Why, Why would we add that to the rules about lags ? Lags come in and went out. So it can happens anywhere at anytime, and at anyplace. But if you're using a script of lags, that's a big different story.

2) Dueling - If you're dueling with someone and you're fightning someone who is in duels, and you intended to put chatbubble up instantly and considered it laming, ya , you chose the wrong tree! There is no 2 seconds chatbox rules, your fault for put it up. Holy Warrior didn't know and he isn't expected you put chatbubble up in instantly. What I saw a video the linked you posted as I am watching it, I don't see any laming that've been recorded, all I see is you put chatbubble up and expected Holy to hit you unexpect and you called it laming. This is not counted as a laming.

I didn't watched the silenced part yet, but others already confirmed this.

As I was afk at there that times, when I came back from afk. I see an argument between Padawan 3 and HolyWarrior, I am not sure what is going on. So I did asked HolyWarrior and wondered what is going on. It seems you already are provoking HolyWarrior and attempted to trolled him, at least you violate our rules, you clearly did. Stop this provoking. So next time, you're on the server and if I catch you or other admins see you provoking, you'll be dealt with, this is no excuse, period. Stop this provoking, otherwise you have a conclusions. You have to respect KR admins, not respecting KR rules can get you silences. If an admin ask you to drop the useless conversations, that means drop it, and don't overly discussed it, and that means you need to find an appropriate conversations that is not lead to pointless arguments. Enough is Enough! It's really shame and I am fed up to see this kind situation and I will never ever want to post this ever again what I see on youtube. If you cannot follow the rules, ya, that's a problems right there. *Point Right there* Please follow the rules and listen to admins when they ask you.

So, I'll going to leave that to councils to an accounts on that situation. That all I want to states and outline this. Once again, please do not caused trouble whether if it's accusing from laming, or when you attempt to Provoking him, or else.

[Force]

Hmm. Interesting. However, you forgot one minor detail:

XD Force, your pretty good at saber as far as i know you but this is like... out of the ordinary, even for you x.x

Hello, sorry I have not replied until now.
I'm the batmna and not related to batfrog whatsoever by the way.

A thread from the rules section of your forum with associated quotes
http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... f=5&t=7829

We want people to come to our server, not to drive them away!

KR is VERY strict on these rules because we want to make the KR
server a fun place to duel and hang out without having to worry
about anything unpleasant.

5: -WE ONLY FIGHT HONORABLE DUELS IN KR

Holywarrior,
If you feel you've not done anything wrong, well, not much to say. I simply found the way you acted at the time a blatant abuse of the power invested in you by your clan. I really don't think you should act that way when you have power, to the extent the game modifications admin feature allows, over somebody else.

[jawfin]

That, for good or bad, is the admin's call. We don't have a room full of books of rules, we are not Draconian.
Thread locked.