[Lava World]

Hey y'all,

Today I was challenged by a player going by the name of Padawan (2). Accidentally, I accepted the duel request by him despite him being encased by the inactive green bubble. Once the duel initiated, it was clear he was intending to never move, keeping the green bubble on him so I wouldn't be able to actually duel him. I quickly fanned at the green bubble for a few seconds to express my desire for him to move, otherwise the duel is unfair (and I think his actions constitute duel running). Immediately after stopping my 2 second fan at the green bubble, I went over to Falcon and pointed out Padawan (2) was intending to troll the duel by staying in the green bubble.

Falcon proceeded to ban me for what I assume was laming (hitting his green bubble during the duel).

I guess, yes, technically I lamed and I accept that. I don't think this punishment is fitting because the player was duel running/trolling, and my laming had 0 effect on him due to the green bubble in duel. I had no malicious intentions, additionally, Falcon was right next to this happening and IF I wanted to be malicious I wouldn't be silly enough to do it right in her vision with 5 players on. But that is up to you guys.

I have been following the rules very closely for quite some time ever since it was observed that I was being close to banned. I hope this is taken into consideration as this ban is reviewed. I forgot to screenshot but I'm sure all relevant materials can be found in the logs. I apologize if my tone sounds off in anyway, just not feeling great about this. Thanks.

[Mandalorian]

I can understand the urge to lame in these situations (and let me just say I absolutely hate it when they do that) but the best thing to do in this situation is to either commit suicide by spectating (which I am personally not a fan of, since it ruins your score because some fool didn't wish to fight) or you could tell and admin. That admin will at first warn the dueling opponent to fight, and if he still does not, the admin is allowed to force the opponent to spectators and back to the battle.(I hope. At least this is what I've been doing. Feel free to slap me falgal if I am wrong).

Just wanted to throw my words in here. The council is the once who decides the unbanning stuff, I'm just a cantina cleaner.

[Yama]

Disappointing after your wonderfully constructed post the other day I was re-accessing lava world. Laming in front of a council tho. You are so much smarter than that.

[Rogue]

Ok, If you're going to duel someone that willing engage to do the duel, then duel, without have to go afk for the long time or running away. That is not what a duel is, A duel is that you commit you fight in the duel, period. If that happens you are in duel someone and that person have chatbubble on, and have green bubble and won't fight all even though you are in duel with him. Ask him politely to duels and fight, if he won't response at all. You can spectate and rejoin to halt the duels, or you can ask an admins and an admins will talk to the person who won't willing to fight to start fight in the duels, what is the point for running away or going afk in the duel ? If the person won't cooperate to fights in the duel after an admin warns him, then an admins have a right to force the person who won't fight and moved to spectate to halt the duel.

I am not sure what you did wrong because I wasn't on there. I believe it is Fal calls since she have all the answers for you.

[Falcon]

I'm not going to argue trivial points (because we both know what really happened there) so let's get to the matter at hand:

As you said you knew you were on thin ice with laming. Despite knowing this, you lamed someone in a duel anyway (as you admitted to). So this was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Your laming really needs to stop. No more excuses. I'm willing to lift the ban on you if you promise, whether you think you're being watched or not, to stop laming while you are on our server.

[Lava World]

I'm not going to argue trivial points (because we both know what really happened there) so let's get to the matter at hand:

As you said you knew you were on thin ice with laming. Despite knowing this, you lamed someone in a duel anyway (as you admitted to). So this was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Your laming really needs to stop. No more excuses. I'm willing to lift the ban on you if you promise, whether you think you're being watched or not, to stop laming while you are on our server.

Hi Falcon, thanks for your consideration.

Yes, I do admit it was a lame. I want to raise a few points of contention that are not at all intended for arguing, but to be sure of what my position in this server is:

I don't know what you mean by "we both know what happened here". The events are exactly like I described. There is no ulterior motive or event here. If you are skeptical of that claim, I completely understand, but don't claim that I know what this really was (I assume you mean we both know this was an intended malicious lame). It's not honest for either of us.

Secondly, I have been on extremely rule-abiding behavior and have not intentionally lamed pretty much ever since Jawfin alerted me I'm one lame away from a ban. Just so there isn't a misconception, I didn't suddenly start obeying all the rules just because I didn't wanna get banned. I began to see the reason and justification for your rules, and started following them accordingly. I believe most admins can testify that I haven't gone around breaking rules for quite some time.

The severity of this lame was akin to that of an accidental flipkick. I completely understand being strictly held to the rules due to my past behavior, but if I'm going to be banned for little things like this without warning then I'd rather not come on the server tbh. I don't know why you're rewarding my good behavior with bans over completely accidental and unintentional lames like this. I understand you don't like me, but please don't let that cloud your perception of my actual presence on the server.

Again, I am not raising these points to argue and bicker over insignificant things. I simply want to know that if the ban DOES get lifted, I'm not held to unrealistically high standards and don't have to fear a permanent ban over extremely minor things other people would get simple warnings for. I understand I've been a negative presence in the past, but I have been following all the rules recently and am one of your most active players. If this doesn't change your mind at all, like I said, I'd rather bid farewell to the server because it won't be an enjoyable space for me with these attitudes towards me. But to finally answer your post, I do indeed promise to not lame within everything capable of my power, in addition to the other rules.

Thanks for reading over this.

[Jr.]

So, you admit to being a negative presence in the past. You admit to understanding that due to said negative presence you purposely brought to the server, you were close to be banned. You admit that what you did was a violation of our rules). Yet, despite all that, you do not want to have the rules strictly applied to you going forward, and you want to make sure that none of this influences how we or anyone else views you? This has to be the most disingenuous ban-lift request I have read so far; albeit the most well written. I do hope you get unbanned. But, I think you need to examine what brought you here in the first place, and your need to make a game unpleasant for other people. It is a game, which means its mean to be enjoyed by everyone, not just you.

[Lava World]

So, you admit to being a negative presence in the past. You admit to understanding that due to said negative presence you purposely brought to the server, you were close to be banned. You admit that what you did was a violation of our rules). Yet, despite all that, you do not want to have the rules strictly applied to you going forward, and you want to make sure that none of this influences how we or anyone else views you? This has to be the most disingenuous ban-lift request I have read so far; albeit the most well written. I do hope you get unbanned. But, I think you need to examine what brought you here in the first place, and your need to make a game unpleasant for other people. It is a game, which means its mean to be enjoyed by everyone, not just you.

Hey Jr, thanks for your response.

Again, please don't interpret any of my comments as talking back or contention. I simply want to clarify things so no more mistakes or misconceptions are made.

I think you misinterpreted my post a little bit. I am NOT asking for the rules to not apply strictly, neither am I asking for the admins to go easy on me if I go about breaking a rule. Like I said, I completely understand me being held to high standards since I have been a pest in the past. I have obeyed the rules and conformed to these strict expectations with no complaints. The only genuine complain I had I posted previously in this very forum about the use of the n***** word with nothing but decency and eagerness to communicate. I COMPLETELY understand me being banned if I break rules again.

What I'm simply asking is that I don't get banned for really minor things. Was what I did technically a lame? Absolutely. But so is a flipkick you might do while jumping around the map. What I'm emphasizing is that the context surrounding this lame and its subsequent ban was a bit far-fetched in my opinion. I'd love nothing more than to keep playing on KR, and I encourage admins to be hard on me since I want to prove I'm no longer toxic. But giving me perma bans over an occasional mistake like this make it very hard for me to prove that I want to make this a pleasant game for everyone. I don't wanna try to prove myself to people who seem to want to ban me for the most minor of things.

So, to summarize: I completely encourage admins holding me strictly to the rules. I just fear I won't be able to 100% never commit an occasional, harmless mistake. It's human nature. I wouldn't feel good continuing to prove myself to KR if I'm going to be banned for really small things that weren't intentional.

I hope that clears things up. Again, thanks for your reply.

[Falcon]

Ooooooooook here's what I meant:

What you said:

Today I was challenged by a player going by the name of Padawan (2). Accidentally, I accepted the duel request by him despite him being encased by the inactive green bubble. Once the duel initiated, it was clear he was intending to never move, keeping the green bubble on him so I wouldn't be able to actually duel him. I quickly fanned at the green bubble for a few seconds to express my desire for him to move, otherwise the duel is unfair (and I think his actions constitute duel running). Immediately after stopping my 2 second fan at the green bubble, I went over to Falcon and pointed out Padawan (2) was intending to troll the duel by staying in the green bubble.

Couple of issues with this -

First, as the logs show, you challenged Pad (who was Marie btw), not the other way around:

broadcast: print "^1U, King of Lava World @@@PLDUELACCEPT Padawan ^7(^52^7)!\n"

Little known fact: the logs show the challenger first, and then the challenged.

Secondly, he was bubbled when you challenged him, unlike you said on server:

-[KR]-Falcon: hey u
U, King of Lava World: he is purposely green bubbling
U, King of Lava World: during duel

(You can't "purposefully" green bubble by the way, unless you're an admin, which Marie is not)

You waited all of about 3 seconds, if that, for him to move without talking to him before fanning him repeatedly and the above happened. This was not an accident by any means. A side flip kick is an accident, a continuous fan is intent.

Hope that clears that up.

You are held to the same standards that everyone else is held to. You were given many, many warnings before. You were also told that if you lamed again you would be banned immediately.

Phew. So having said all that, your promise is enough. I will lift your ban later tonight. If you have any further questions feel free to contact me via PM.

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