[Woe]

"Lesser players need the increased DMG to pull off easier kills. It is simple logic." - Frog

First off this is an insult directed at players like St@rty, Eis, Sakito, Crime, Water, Shake, Snipe robb, and me.
In the morning me and Starty got on and were just chilling on KR. We didn't even talk. We talked to each other via pms. Then an argument was occurring from people like drop3 and nightmare basically saying ja+ is bad and base is the way to go. Frog claims I'm the reason this started and that I'm bothering players. When me and starty were doing nothing but talking to each other. Then Eis' tells Frog is talking about how I was causing "disorderly conduct" and how admins told me to stop and I persisted.

He also tells Eis the player doing it had an all yellow name as you can see in the first screenshot I had an all white name. But he chose to insult me anyways. I'm only posting this, because I was falsely accused and I want to clear this up so that Frog can choose his words more wisely. This was also only posted here because he wanted me to post the screenshot for him, so I decided why not post it here for everyone to see. Of course multiple people are gonna find this insulting because it's directed at the base community as a whole. (this includes the names listed above). An easy comparison to help others understand, if someone said "KR members are lesser players because they play JA+ and rely on auto blocks, and excessive parries." That would be flaming right? This is just the way I view it.

[Frog]

I'd be careful to be respectful, as this looks like it is engineered to be the polar opposite. Concerning my comment, I still stand by it as it is my opinion but it was not designed to be offensive, but to prove a point that skill is just as necessary in JA+ as it is in base. Derogatory terms were used and just barely scraped offensive, which was then that I, including some other members, stepped in. Also, Eis only responded by saying how I was lying and making excuses, but made no substantial logical arguments and instead substituted cool-headed responses for shoe-horned insults and dry comments. All I see here is a over-exaggerated response to a judgement call that I made, and thus I am not concerned with how many times it is boo-hooed. It is 1.) my opinions of base. Not flaming, but opinions. 2.) When the conversation heated up, that is and always will be when a Admin will step in. In other words, my actions were not to provoke but to cease. That does not mean it will always be the perfect response, but it will be one non-the-less.

Good day, and behave.

[Frog]

Additionally, I will only mention this once, because I don't want a solid six hours of
'' That's an excuse. Quit lying ''
but, I have nearly shattered my shoulder blade, and honestly, that plus other things going on makes for a extremely grumpy Frog. Not saying I made a mistake in my judgement, I am telling you my tolerance and patience is running thin. I ever so hope that this, plus my response, puts a end to this. But if you want to continue, do so with respect.

[Woe]

Alright, so just so i have all of what you are saying correct.

-I started a server wide argument about base without speaking in public chat.
-I was disrespecting other players and causing disorderly conduct by dueling.
-KR admins told me to stop being quiet and stop dueling because it is causing discomfort for everyone on the server.
People of lesser intelligence have a tendency to bash what they do not understand as you are showing here. I'm not pointing the finger at all KR and generalizing, I'm just stating that if i think you're an idiot and tell you so, its flaming. Just as you basically calling myself and everyone else who plays on base a sub-human is flaming.

If you hate me so badly you want to blame me for anything base related, just say so. I can't tell what your problem is, you swear up and down i'm the issue here when i did nothing wrong and were responding with threatening undertones to Eis' saying "my justice will be served" like your flawed vision of right and wrong permits you to sweep your mistakes under the rug and scream for someone to get banned when they do nothing wrong.
1.) all flaming is opinions... facts aren't inflammatory. Looking down on your fellow clan member Sakito is deplorable. 2.) The conversation had nothing to do with me and you're hell bent on blaming me for it.

How am i supposed to respect you when you won't respect me?

and by the way... http://knights-reborn.org/forum/viewtop ... =9&t=11616 don't try this argument because your freedom of speech does not apply.

you ignored my counter argument by insisting i cause problems and pointing out you didn't understand his argument so i will reiterate it in all caps so you don't miss it this time.

IS IT TROLLING IF I WERE TO CALL ALL KR MEMBERS LESSER PLAYERS BECAUSE THEY RELY ON JA+'s AUTOBLOCKS AND PARRYSPAM? Its only LOGICAL right?

you did nothing but use big words you could barely use correctly when you spoke to Eis', so i guess i can't expect you to be able to step out of your feeble position and look at things from another point of view.

Also, all of this is just my opinion so its not flaming.

[Woe]

Additionally, I'm only to mention this once, you only spoke to Eis for 15 minutes, not "a solid six hours".

[Frog]

If you reply in terms identical to what you condemn me for, than a point is not made--- You and I would both be to blame. Considering that all you are doing is duplicating what I said, throwing in some mockery here and there and another post to top the cake off, and still, yet still, I get no cool-headed responses, the only thing I can do now is say the same things. Disruptive behavior does not always mean flaming per say, it just means something that is compromising player's experience in game. I do not hate anybody, I hate people's decisions to not react maturely. I have replied straight and true, raw and hard, and so far I have not seen logic reply, but a child stomping.

[John]

This is going no where. The council can mediate this from here out.

~locked~