[Patti Sith]

Let's address some things about your word filter:
It's not okay for someone who is homosexual to refer to themselves as gay, because of your word filter.
It is okay for Squidlord to call me a gross tranny, but it's not okay for me to correct him on that, because I got silenced for doing that.
Niggardly is on the filter, despite having no etymological connection to the racist term that we all strive to avoid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controver ... ggardly%22
When I brought this up, and mentioned that the admin that silenced me for using the word was acting ignorantly, I was silenced again, because...ignorant is an insult now?

Y'all really need to keep your admins in check. Or at least open some dictionaries.
Or maybe escape this early 2000s mindset of gay only being an ad hominem.
You pride yourselves on your non-offensive rules, but they're actually incredibly offensive if you understand what tones they convey.

Grow up. Learn to accept criticism when your rules are clearly outdated, instead of silencing the LGBT person drawing objection with it

[Patti Sith]

And then I got banned for "bringing it back up" by linking to this thread.
Go figure, huh!

Glad y'all are having fun with your admin powers.

[deathscyth]

well you were pretty rude calling me ignorant when i was simply asking you not to say certain things i find it offensive but i warned you this would happen sorry it had too

[Patti Sith]

Calling you ignorant is not being rude. It's being literal to the words meaning. Your claim that niggardly is a racist term is *literally* ignorant.
define: ignorance
ig·no·rance
ˈiɡnərəns/
noun
lack of knowledge or information.
"he acted in ignorance of basic procedures"
synonyms: incomprehension of, unawareness of, unconsciousness of, unfamiliarity with, inexperience with, lack of knowledge about, lack of information about; More

Of course I'm going to be rude to someone who habitually abuses people with admin without even taking a moment to consider that he might be wrong. I became rude after I was silenced twice in a row for trying to argue the words definition (which predates the racial slur). You repeatedly silenced me, and insisted it actually is racist, because someone could take offense to it. I, personally, take offense to this willful perpetuation of ignorance. Ignorance kills.

You're not sorry it happened. You're sorry that you're beginning to realize that I'm 100% right in what I said, regardless of how much being informed of your own ignorance and hypocrisy "hurts"

If you expect others to be respectful in their words and actions, you need to be reasonable in yours. You cannot expect me to be reasonable with someone that has their fingers dug into their ears singing la's.

Just because you're an admin doesn't mean you are right 100% of the time, and an arbiter of every topic of conversation. Arbitrary rules that depend on how much you want to kick a person to vent your frustration at something external is not how a responible admin should run a server.

I'd advise KR to tighten the leash on who, exactly, can ban, kick, and silence. Clique-y behavior in admin groups is one of the primary causes for a decline in activity in this game.

[jawfin]

Hello, welcome to our forums mate

The ban was put in place after repeated reconnecting from punishment - essentially a guaranteed way of earning a ban. The point being is we cannot trust you while admins are on and talking to you directly, how on earth can we trust you when no admins are available?!?!

The reason for the silences wasn't so much the content of the conversation as much as it was your dogmatic instance to demand you are right in the face of being kindly asked to drop it, at least 8 times.

The point of a game server is to have fun and not feel uncomfortable. Your insistence on your rights out-weighing those factors for everyone else was why you were silenced. To grasp precisely what our definition of freedom of speech is, please read: -
http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... hp?t=11616

If it's too much trouble for you to follow what we kindly request in our own home, then it will be too much trouble for us to welcome you there, sorry.

[Patti Sith]

Hello, welcome to our forums mate

The ban was put in place after repeated reconnecting from punishment - essentially a guaranteed way of earning a ban. The point being is we cannot trust you while admins are on and talking to you directly, how on earth can we trust you when no admins are available?!?!

The reason for the silences wasn't so much the content of the conversation as much as it was your dogmatic instance to demand you are right in the face of being kindly asked to drop it, at least 8 times.

The point of a game server is to have fun and not feel uncomfortable. Your insistence on your rights out-weighing those factors for everyone else was why you were silenced. To grasp precisely what our definition of freedom of speech is, please read: -
http://www.knights-reborn.org/forum/vie ... hp?t=11616

If it's too much trouble for you to follow what we kindly request in our own home, then it will be too much trouble for us to welcome you there, sorry.

Silencing me because you aren't willing to consider that your rules were written by someone that was ignorant is not having a conversation with me. It is not talking directly with me, because it is a one-sided conversation where-in you repeat ad nauseum your ignorance and pray that no one notices you're in the wrong. I reconnected because I wanted you to hear my side, because my side is objectively right in this matter.

You are in the wrong. Literally. By the definition of every word involved.
This reveals an incredible amount about the (very few) admins involved. Other admins do not behave this way, the clique-y justification of behavior.

I'm sad that a minority of members in your guild do not have the intellectual or emotional maturity to handle someone taking umbrage with a set of rules that are illogical, or with an environment where some slurs are tolerated where other words that have nothing to do with slurs are not, simply because someone *could* take offense to it, if they were ignorant, as the case appears to be here.

Far more offensive things have been said to me and tolerated than the word niggardly. Principally because niggardly is in no way, shape, or form a racial epithet.

I won't drop it because you won't acknowledge your ignorance. I would have dropped it immediately had you acknowledged that the word is not deserving of a place on the list, or had you actually provided an accurate reason for it being so, instead of threatening me, silencing me, then calling me a racist while I'm unable to refute your claim.

[Rogue]

Not to mentioned that Deathscyth and myself have to warned you for saying racist languages and other inappropriate languages you just bypassed, we've asked you very nicely to stop bypassed the filter, and you've failed to stop, and that why we have to silence you once or prehap twice. Again as above mentioned, This is KR, We have a rules that applies everyone to have fun. This doesn't means you can go ahead argues with an admins, it's doesn't works in real life, and it doesn't works here either. When an admins asked you to stop, you stops, you don't have to running on argued with it, it will not helps, but make things worst. At least, you've reconnect out of punishments, that can makes thing worst too, You don't reconnect out of punishment just because you are silenced due to your profane language and using racist languages.

[Patti Sith]

"Not to mentioned that Deathscyth and myself have to warned you for saying racist languages and other inappropriate languages you just bypassed, we've asked you very nicely to stop bypassed the filter, and you've failed to stop"

I never said a single racist word. Not a single one.
You should click the link in my first post before bandwagoning in here to defend your friends admin abuse. I am not wrong on this issue. You are ignorant, and coincidentally, calling someone ignorant is not an attack; it's a description.

[Patti Sith]

Since clicking links appears to be a difficult concept for hegemonous and ignorant hiveminds;
"Niggardly" (noun: "niggard") is an adjective meaning "stingy" or "miserly". It can be traced back at least to the Middle English word nigon, which has the same meaning, and is perhaps related to the Old Norse verb nigla, which means "to fuss about small matters".

It has nothing to do with the other word. It's not even from the same root language.
Ignorance kills.

[deathscyth]

we did ask you to stop countless times you refused to stop i didn't have much of a problem with you being rude to me but i do have a major problem with you causing trouble on a great server i get you are upset that you were silenced but heres the thing you weren't right none of us were considering that the way you used the word ignorant can be considered rude whether you think so or not. its a opinion that you thought it wasn't rude in my own opinion i found being called that was offensive so there for you were wrong there.

also saying that we are not mature as i would say we are all mature to our own level some more then others but all in all we are mature and we are also all intelligent whether you accept this is you choice and jaw is in fact correct you cant really be truest on server also an opinion of my own but for him its truth because well it is true.

on the "gross tranny" thing it isn't alright to call someone that but it also isn't alright to think your always right and try to force it on others that could also be rude in its own way while i do respect your opinion i do not respect your actions i hope that you can see that we did this for your own and servers good

[jawfin]

I asked you to read the freedom of speech post. As you evidently didn't there's not point entertaining you. Its a game, it's not the whole world - if you were at a bowling alley and starting arguing with the person in the next isle because he was wearing a Texas flag on his T-Shirt you would eventually annoy all the patrons, and the owners, then the security, and end up outside. Same difference here.

[Patti Sith]

You did this for no ones good but your own.
You were being and remain wilfully ignorant.
Hopefully the more intelligent members of your clans staff notice this.

If you were mature or intelligent, you would not continue to insist that what I said was offensive. Objectively, it was not.

I find being silenced and banned for showing someone that they were acting ignorantly to be incredibly offensive. Why don't you care about what I find offensive?
Why do you insist on silencing me on this issue, instead of hearing out what I've said repeatedly, which can be fact checked readily?

If admins asking you to stop talking about something is such an important rule, you should put it in your MOTD. The way you're behaving is nothing more than cliquey admin abuse. The clique is even all here; everyone involved in it is posting in this thread trying to justify their actions.

Hopefully someone with a more objective mindset reads through the logs and sees the repeated slanders *you* made against me. Claiming I've made racist remarks when I've done nothing of the sort, claiming them repeatedly while I'm silenced in a bid to slur my character and present your incredibly revisionist idea of what you did to me.

[Patti Sith]

I asked you to read the freedom of speech post. As you evidently didn't there's not point entertaining you. Its a game, it's not the whole world - if you were at a bowling alley and starting arguing with the person in the next isle because he was wearing a Texas flag on his T-Shirt you would eventually annoy all the patrons, and the owners, then the security, and end up outside. Same difference here.

A more appropriate comparison would be if the venue banned t-shirts with the outline of the state of Alabama on it, but someone came in wearing a shirt with the outline of Mississippi, and you kicked them out, because you can't tell the two apart.

I'm sorry you feel threatened by people critiquing what you've clearly convinced yourself to be fair. I'm sorry that you think it's okay to censor some folks sexualities, while regularly tolerating conversations tangential to straight male's interests. I'm sorry that you've shielded yourself from criticism for so long that you cannot recognize you are in the wrong on such a black and white issue, and must resort to victim blaming behavior.

"We told you repeatedly not to wear that short skirt if you didn't want to get raped, but you kept doing it anyway", since we're using bad analogies.

[deathscyth]

ok sorry but
1. again it is a opinion o·pin·ion
əˈpinyən/Submit
noun
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
2 i never once said you were racist or said any racial things that i can recall i do have horrible memory but regardless if i did im sorry
3 try looking at it from someone else point of view i could be offended by beng ignorant that is my right and im allowed to be offended by it
4 im pretty sure attacking us isnt the way to go especially jaw
last but not least gotta throw this in 5 good day

[jawfin]

Well, glad we cleared that up. Thread locked.