[Balor]

Hello, name is Balor, some people have known me to frequent the KR server. For the purposes of this, I'll be putting aside my dramatis personæ to voice a complaint about an admin. The admin in question is Jawfin who banned me a few days ago.

KR is a clan that's dedicated to honor so lets examine the events leading up to the ban.

Jawfin first decided to run around in a FFA with his saber up and when I attacked, turn off his saber at the last second and cried lame. This is something I've seen other members frown on.

Then he spawns a nigh unkillable jawa with a extra long saber that goes around laming everyone in the server...after he was complaining about laming. I'll remind everyone of the rule, "Using Admin on each other for entertainment on KR1 is forbidden. On KR2 this can be bent if all members are ok with it."

I'll also note that people were pretty chill with it but I only mention it only to point out that it is rather hypocritical of jawfin to spawn npcs that lame others while complaining about a lame that he knew full well was just a bait.

Then jawfin decided to flame me by saying exactly verbatim, "You don't make many friends, do you?" (which, by the way is a violation of "No verbal attacks (flaming)!") to which I retorted, "No, I just don't make friends with queefs."

Now at this point some of you don't know what a queef is. Simply put, a queef is a female fart. That's all it is. A type of fart. I've seen people mention farts before on KR and there have been no problems. Jawfin decided to take offense to that and ban me. I may have went a wee overboard by calling jawfin a queef aka a female fart but honest, he was clearly baiting me throughout the match. Frankly, KR has let a lot worse go by unnoticed. Like the name Poopchest which is a nod to a scat fetish (for the love of everything good, don't google it).

To sum up, jawfin violated KR rules, and when I got irritated with him, he banned me.

This is not the first time KR admins have broken the rules by the way. I once witnessed a server admin threaten a player with a DOS attack which is a violation of
federal law 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a)(5)(A) which carries up to 10 years in prison + damages. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030#a_5

If anyone doubts this, one may only look at the screenshot proof I recorded at the time.

I could have just reported it to a federal agency and let them take care of it. I could have notified your server provider and web hosting groups that you were in violation of the clause, "Each user account must be not used for any illegal activity." and they would have wiped you off the face of the internet.

But you know what, I didn't, I had mercy on KR because it's a nice clan that has nice people. I still won't even though the statue of limitations hasn't run out yet, no matter what happens. You know why? Because it's honorable to be able to snuff out someone who deserves it and instead have mercy on them.

All I want is an apology from jawfin and to be unbanned. If you have some beef with me, "confront that player directly" instead of baiting me as an excuse to ban me.

That is all.

[Falcon]

Oh my, where do I even begin with this...

Ok well, first off - wrong forum, ~moved.

Balor, you are so delusional about so many things its a wonder its come to this. Its sad really - I see now the full extent of what happens when a person who is so entrapped in their own world is pushed to their limits.

de·lu·sion·al [dih-loo-zhuh-nl]
adjective
1. having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions
2. Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness

NOTHING, and I repeat, NOTHING in your post is how it actually happened. While I can't speak of the exact incident you are claiming you'll forgive me if I don't believe you. Reasons being:

1. I have known Jawfin for six years now, and he has never once "cried" about anything, least of all laming. I have seen him let much worse get away with...well, much worse.

2. I have been on server with you many a time and have seen this exact situation happen. A player, (be it KR member, visitor or anyone that comes on) will have had their saber down for a good 2 - 5 seconds and you start attacking them. You claim that things did not appear so on your screen. This is an utter lie, whether you choose to admit it or not. I hope that you are at least admitting that lie to yourself.

You claim to fight with honor, but I have never seen even a glimpse of it. Not in your actions or your words. And please, do not google it - that has already gotten you in enough trouble as it is (i.e. with the definition of the word "queef").

And now that that is out of the way let me say this before Jawfin posts -

You will not threaten this clan. If I see another threat to Jawfin, this clan, or anyone at any time on server OR on the forums you will be removed from the forums AND server, permanently. You will hide behind no law you have googled, no petty threats you conceive, no "mercy" you claim to have for us - because there will be none shown to you.

[jawfin]

omg, I mean, OMG - lol, I just have to start with the screenie. That was not a threat to DOS you moron (I mean, this may be flaming, but I prefer to think of it as an accurate use of the noun). The server, which you noted was talking, is allowed to create a firewall to block someone accessing it. I know I explained this on server to you, you *still* don't get it. It would of been an establishment of a firewall rule to not accept traffic from a certain IP. In other words, a ban. It is not an attack on their IP, toward their computer, it is simply the choice to not communicate. For instance, if you rang my cell phone and it said "Balor calling" and I press the No button, I haven't attacked you or your phone, I have simply chosen not to communicate with you.

And when you say run around, I assume you actually meant to say was jumping to the highest part of the FFA3 map out of the reach of everyone, whereby you grappled up to me and started hitting me, so I chatted up. You still kept hitting me, so I thought "I am so high up, my chat bubble is probably off the top of the screen where you can't see it" so I sabered down. Then you still hit me 3 times after that, so, and fair enough, I slapped you. If you wish to quote the admin rules you may go with the one where an admin can use emergency powers to prevent a lame in progress.

Now our friendly saber jawa - which I may add was about the 10th jawa I had spawned, and I will also add I spawned it on the spaceship NO WHERE NEAR YOU. I'm sorry if you felt this was a personal affront, maybe a psychiatrist can help you with this condition.

You're a rude, petty, spiteful, vindictive, arrogant, feeble-minded creature - everything KR doesn't stand for - your banning was only a matter of time, do you not think? I brokered a peace, and you were still pathetically trying to kill me - depressing. You are a poor fighter, a bad sport and a poor loser. Your whole game play embodies bragging, health running, and fighting without any honour. Listening to you ''train'' new players was as painful as getting teeth pulled without anaesthetic - truly the blind leading the blind. I recall even giving you the gift of merc one day (that's all weapons with heaps of ammo, in case you don't know JKA terms) but you are just beyond the reach of reason.

The only genuine mystery here is why I took so long to ban you. I was already advised by another council member to ban you a while ago, but I had mistakenly thought there was a chance, that you had character.

It's hair-pulling frustration trying to explain something to a person who thinks they know everything when they are a genuine simpleton. Considering your ''knowledge'' is a copy/paste of irrelevant information you Google'd but don't understand.

To help you understand what you did copy/paste, that was in reference to a lag delay of a fired ranged weapon, in that, the player will fire later than expected (not that the you would be tricked by a delay, but that it would go behind you, thus you would have to double back into the path of a highly visible incoming projectile to get hit). But what happened was completely different - in your case constantly running into my [immaculately timed] kata would be the equivalent of running into a mine placed by a higher pinged player. I mean, it's static, the server dictates the timing and placement, not the higher ping player; and all timing is dictated by the server. It would not be dissimilar to getting mowed down by a steam roller by running out of the way then purposefully running back under it (try it).

Note, this is not the theory of relativity like you said it was on server; that's about objects interacting when travelling at the speed of light in free space... nevermind. You're the guy who copy/pastes articles you don't really understand; I'm the guy who writes those very same articles!

I admit that's my fault though, I am used to tutoring university students studying computer science; who like you, don't know anything until taught, but unlike you, have the wit and capacity to get it, and usually the first time. I really thought a person who could write could also perhaps be able to read. As everyone in KR knows, I have unlimited time for teaching and helping the willing and ready to learn - I just don't do that well with arrogant fools who cannot learn, those who are trying to one-up instead of being rational. So it's my fault in that I am sorry that I tried with you.

Amongst my capacities is developing web applications (ground up, hand written code), which you will get to experience first-hand next time you connect to the KR server with a new IP. I've even developed a smart-phone application/game which does reflex testing of one player against another, taking latency (what you would naively call ping) into account - it is accurate to the millisecond even with players of a ping of 250 :: which is 250 milliseconds, not a second and a half - it's less confusing than it sounds, unless you're a bit simple of course.
But then as I said on server: "Thinking, it's not really your strong suit."
I believe I also said: "pwnd" - which you most certainly have been.

So, long story short: nfw you are staying banned. This is not a debate, KR server does not belong to any country's constitution, as Falcon has said your rights are here are what KR permits you.

[Balor]

"You will not threaten this clan. If I see another threat to Jawfin, this clan, or anyone at any time on server OR on the forums you will be removed from the forums AND server, permanently. You will hide behind no law you have googled, no petty threats you conceive, no "mercy" you claim to have for us - because there will be none shown to you."

Tell me where I threatened anyone? I said I would not report anything to anyone.

"You claim to fight with honor, but I have never seen even a glimpse of it. "

Really? And tell me, how many times have I driven out lamers in admins' absence? I may play the rogue on servers but I never intentionally break the rules.

"2. I have been on server with you many a time and have seen this exact situation happen. A player, (be it KR member, visitor or anyone that comes on) will have had their saber down for a good 2 - 5 seconds and you start attacking them. You claim that things did not appear so on your screen. This is an utter lie, whether you choose to admit it or not. I hope that you are at least admitting that lie to yourself."

Me thinks you are referring to when people flipkick and/or they have high ping. If I remember correctly, Jawfin had 200-300 ping range at the time. People lag, and it's not unusual for me see a person jump in lag to have their sabers down at which point I stop attacking. Other times I attack people is when others have fists up, which according to KR, is armed. Even during that match jawfin admitted that lag causes people with high ping to "jump". Look in the chat logs if you don't believe me. It was about three nights ago.

"I have known Jawfin for six years now, and he has never once "cried" about anything, least of all laming. I have seen him let much worse get away with...well, much worse."

Fine, he accused me of laming. Please refer to the bit about ping.

"NOTHING, and I repeat, NOTHING in your post is how it actually happened. While I can't speak of the exact incident you are claiming you'll forgive me if I don't believe you."

You simultaneously claim you were not there at the same time you claim that wasn't how it happened. Hmmmmmm......

"Balor, you are so delusional about so many things its a wonder its come to this. Its sad really - I see now the full extent of what happens when a person who is so entrapped in their own world is pushed to their limits."

Please refer to your admission that you were not there.

"Ok well, first off - wrong forum, ~moved."

Sorry about that, didn't see the sub-forum.

[Balor]

"omg, I mean, OMG - lol, I just have to start with the screenie. That was not a threat to DOS you moron (I mean, this may be flaming, but I prefer to think of it as an accurate use of the noun). The server, which you noted was talking, is allowed to create a firewall to block someone accessing it. I know I explained this on server to you, you *still* don't get it. It would of been an establishment of a firewall rule to not accept traffic from a certain IP. In other words, a ban. It is not an attack on their IP, toward their computer, it is simply the choice to not communicate. For instance, if you rang my cell phone and it said "Balor calling" and I press the No button, I haven't attacked you or your phone, I have simply chosen not to communicate with you."

The incident in question did not happen that way, the player was complaining about having an unusual high ping and the admin at the time admitted to causing it.

"And when you say run around, I assume you actually meant to say was jumping to the highest part of the FFA3 map out of the reach of everyone, whereby you grappled up to me and started hitting me, so I chatted up. You still kept hitting me, so I thought "I am so high up, my chat bubble is probably off the top of the screen where you can't see it" so I sabered down. Then you still hit me 3 times after that, so, and fair enough, I slapped you. If you wish to quote the admin rules you may go with the one where an admin can use emergency powers to prevent a lame in progress."

All I saw was your saber go down after a half a second after reaching you. After that I stopped and didn't look back to see what you were doing. If it was an honest lame, I apologize. But after all you admitted the lag causes people to "jump". Please keep this in mind.

"Now our friendly saber jawa - which I may add was about the 10th jawa I had spawned, and I will also add I spawned it on the spaceship NO WHERE NEAR YOU. I'm sorry if you felt this was a personal affront, maybe a psychiatrist can help you with this condition."

I was referring to the one I was trying to kill near the spectator area because it was attacking the other players. Even you mentioned how much damage I was doing to it so I know you saw it and me.

"You're a rude, petty, spiteful, vindictive, arrogant, feeble-minded creature - everything KR doesn't stand for - your banning was only a matter of time, do you not think? I brokered a peace, and you were still pathetically trying to kill me - depressing. You are a poor fighter, a bad sport and a poor loser. Your whole game play embodies bragging, health running, and fighting without any honour. Listening to you ''train'' new players was as painful as getting teeth pulled without anaesthetic - truly the blind leading the blind. I recall even giving you the gift of merc one day (that's all weapons with heaps of ammo, in case you don't know JKA terms) but you are just beyond the reach of reason."

If you don't like the health packs, just turn them off, you're an admin, you could have done that. And no, I didn't refill after every kill so please, don't try to portray that I'm like that. As for bragging, please define what you mean as well as "fighting without honor".

As for the merc with the mouth attitude, that's just my dramatis personæ. It's a villain, what did you expect?

Now with the "painful as getting teeth pulled without anaesthetic" training, with padas, they need things simple. You teach them the basics first before you get into the advanced techniques. To someone who's just getting into JA, a skill based game, you need to start off slow. Just ask Tal or Raison. If that's too painful for you, I'd ask you to remember when you first started out.

"To help you understand what you did copy/paste, that was in reference to a lag delay of a fired ranged weapon, in that, the player will fire later than expected (not that the you would be tricked by a delay, but that it would go behind you, thus you would have to double back into the path of a highly visible incoming projectile to get hit). But what happened was completely different - in your case constantly running into my [immaculately timed] kata would be the equivalent of running into a mine placed by a higher pinged player. I mean, it's static, the server dictates the timing and placement, not the higher ping player; and all timing is dictated by the server. It would not be dissimilar to getting mowed down by a steam roller by running out of the way then purposefully running back under it (try it)."

Actually you had ran behind me and started the kata, I ran into it only because of you lag jumping. Here, I even found a video demonstrating the lag effect. This dualist has a .8 second lag.
http://youtu.be/Y2KCZuzIh98?t=28s

You had about a 1.2-1.5 lag. Your actions on my screen were delayed. This is why I didn't see the kata in time.

"Note, this is not the theory of relativity like you said it was on server; that's about objects interacting when travelling at the speed of light in free space... nevermind. You're the guy who copy/pastes articles you don't really understand; I'm the guy who writes those very same articles!"

Then you should understand then that your actions and movements are delayed. Much like this example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gxX2ooVs_Q

"I admit that's my fault though, I am used to tutoring university students studying computer science; who like you, don't know anything until taught, but unlike you, have the wit and capacity to get it, and usually the first time. I really thought a person who could write could also perhaps be able to read. As everyone in KR knows, I have unlimited time for teaching and helping the willing and ready to learn - I just don't do that well with arrogant fools who cannot learn, those who are trying to one-up instead of being rational. So it's my fault in that I am sorry that I tried with you."

One more lag example. The part I want to show starts at 50 and ends at 55.
http://youtu.be/0xzJVYSLq6o?t=50s

I want you to notice how the player made a lag jump right into the face of the other player. This was you.

"Amongst my capacities is developing web applications (ground up, hand written code), which you will get to experience first-hand next time you connect to the KR server with a new IP. I've even developed a smart-phone application/game which does reflex testing of one player against another, taking latency (what you would naively call ping) into account - it is accurate to the millisecond even with players of a ping of 250 :: which is 250 milliseconds, not a second and a half - it's less confusing than it sounds, unless you're a bit simple of course."

I'm not a hacker. Just a casual JA player. : P

[jawfin]

No honor. You skip the bow at a duel start. You don't say ''gf'' when you lose. You constantly attempt to vulture people (sneaking up on them, hitting them from behind). Even when teaming against a tough NPC you wait for another player to be distracted by the NPC so you can attack them from behind. In fact, you attempt to team with the NPC against other players. You use grapple in combat. You will even duel with bots or new players to get your health back during FFAs (when you have spammed taking the health thus disabling it). You camp on players, standing right next to them ready to attack if they are armed with chat up - just waiting to get that cheap hit in. You are cheap. Note there are no rules against any of these, there are no rules to enforce honor, that would diminish it - I am just saying you don't have any. No honor.

The incident in question did not happen that way, the player was complaining about having an unusual high ping and the admin at the time admitted to causing it.

The server blocks or it doesn't block, it is not responsible for their high ping /facepalm

But what I will tell you is what did happen that day - as I have knowledge you don't and in the desperate hope you could possibly learn, I'll enlighten you. The KR clan has an admin emergency call thing where any non-admin can ask for help with dealing with bad guests. On this particular day there was a call for this individual to be banned, so I connected to the server and spec'd him. Each time he misbehaved I enabled a temporary ban (that is, the server ignored communication with him, you may perhaps know the JA server mod JASS has this feature) and let him know that any further misbehavior will result in a permanent ban. In other words, the screenie that you took and completely misunderstood it was threatening a DOS - when in fact it was no more than a server version of /ignore. I can't recall if I ended up leaving the firewall rule in, or released it, i.e. whether he was banned or not. What I do know is I didn't ban outright, but gave him the chance to behave.

Although in your case you have already admitted it. You attempt to drive new players off our server when no KR are on. That is not something we do, not something we would want to do, and most certainly not something we have asked you to do. And I have seen it, at the times I've gone to the server without tags on, you say something like "fresh meat" or whatever, then you crouch in front of them, sabers out to both sides of them, baiting them. I admit I kill you when you try it on me, but I hate to think how our new visitors feel when they see you. Fortunately this will no longer be an issue.

You have shown no reason to have the ban lifted.

[Balor]

"No honor. You skip the bow at a duel start. You don't say ''gf'' when you lose. You constantly attempt to vulture people (sneaking up on them, hitting them from behind). Even when teaming against a tough NPC you wait for another player to be distracted by the NPC so you can attack them from behind. In fact, you attempt to team with the NPC against other players. You use grapple in combat. You will even duel with bots or new players to get your health back during FFAs (when you have spammed taking the health thus disabling it). You camp on players, standing right next to them ready to attack if they are armed with chat up - just waiting to get that cheap hit in. You are cheap. Note there are no rules against any of these, there are no rules to enforce honor, that would diminish it - I am just saying you don't have any. No honor."

As I said, I don't intentionally break the rules. Again, that's being a rogue. Rogues are sneaky and opportunistic. And fyi, I only really started doing the back-stab thing after a KR member (I can't remember who) backstabbed me a few times. After that, it was all que sera.

"But what I will tell you is what did happen that day - as I have knowledge you don't and in the desperate hope you could possibly learn, I'll enlighten you. The KR clan has an admin emergency call thing where any non-admin can ask for help with dealing with bad guests. On this particular day there was a call for this individual to be banned, so I connected to the server and spec'd him. Each time he misbehaved I enabled a temporary ban (that is, the server ignored communication with him, you may perhaps know the JA server mod JASS has this feature) and let him know that any further misbehavior will result in a permanent ban. In other words, the screenie that you took and completely misunderstood it was threatening a DOS - when in fact it was no more than a server version of /ignore. I can't recall if I ended up leaving the firewall rule in, or released it, i.e. whether he was banned or not. What I do know is I didn't ban outright, but gave him the chance to behave."

Then why did the guy's ping go 999? Is that what is caused by the above?

"Although in your case you have already admitted it. You attempt to drive new players off our server when no KR are on."

Correction that's what I do to unabashed lamers. Newbies I usually give a pass.

"That is not something we do, not something we would want to do, and most certainly not something we have asked you to do."

Actually some KR members actually appreciate me running interference when an admin is offline. Some visitors do too. Irregardless, to say that you don't drive off lamers from the server is disingenuous as I have seen them banned many a time.

" And I have seen it, at the times I've gone to the server without tags on, you say something like "fresh meat" or whatever, then you crouch in front of them, sabers out to both sides of them, baiting them."

Actually the term is meatbag from the loveable HK-47, a star wars reference. Please go play some KOTOR.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images ... sassin.ogg

"I admit I kill you when you try it on me, but I hate to think how our new visitors feel when they see you."

I teach them usually like Tal and Raison if they're open to it. Ask them how they feel about me.

[Falcon]

As Jawfin said, this is not a debate, as it is pointless to try and reason with the unreasonable (as a great man once said), so I'm not going to nitpick every point you've made, but instead I'll say this:

The KR server is not yours to manage, even without admins there. As Jawfin said, you have proven time and time again you are not what we stand for, nor what we want on server.

Your responses baffle me. It's really hard to believe how we've spelled everything out for you so many times and you STILL don't get it. You *know* that you are right, and therein lies the problem. I urge you to accept the possibility that there are things you do not understand entirely, and are wrong about. Based on what you've said here, I doubt you even understand what you have said.

I'd also like to add, nothing of what you are saying is helping your case in the slightest, If anything, you are getting further and further away from ever being able to come back to our server.

[jawfin]

Point. You are banned for flaming and ignoring admins. Being an asshat, or rogue as you put it, just strengthens the reason for the ban. So far all you've come up with it far-fetched reasons why you are getting pwned by kata - nothing to do with a ban, you just cannot accept you were outplayed.

So, as Fal says, why should the ban be lifted? I'm guessing this actually is the reason for your post, because there is no bloody way in hell I am going to apologize for banning you after you called me what you did, then told me to look up urban dictionary for its meaning. The only thing I get from that statement, urban, is, (lol pun) U R BAN. ha!

[Gollum]

sorry for interrupting, but..

[Lothar]

I think this calls for a lock now?

[jawfin]

I think this calls for a lock now?

Instead of his attempt at banter, I have asked him outright why the ban should lifted. Locking depends on his capacity to answer this simple request.

[Balor]

" So far all you've come up with it far-fetched reasons why you are getting pwned by kata"

Please watch this video. It's similar to what it looked like on my screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xzJVYSL ... u.be&t=50s

"The KR server is not yours to manage, even without admins there. "

Part of my frustrations with lamers is that there is almost no way to report them if an admin isn't on. From what I understand. amsay and "x is laming" when a admin is on is the only way to deal with them. For crying out loud, there isn't even a report lamer section in the forums (from what I can see.). Honestly if I had some KR approved method of dealing with lamers, I would use it. But, as far as I kow, I don't and so I just beat on them to get them to leave the others alone.

[jawfin]

Your inability to answer my simple question requires your ban to stay in place.
This thread no longer serves any purpose.
In the future, try to apply this sage advice: -

a person who could write could also perhaps be able to read