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 #104050  by Alduin
 
Yes I invited creed and Vol to play zombies on my server. There is no clan there. I did not give them a website to register at, nor did any of us have tags of any sort (except vol he had his biker group tags on) We were going to play Zombies and have a good time, we were bored on the KR server.

We are playing zombies when I assume an undercover KR council member (name was Mike Tyson is eating food) comes to my server and tells me that I have been banned from the KR server for recruiting. Before I can say anything the person leaves. I try to join KR server a few minutes later and was Kicked before I could do or say anything. All I wanted to do was talk to a council member who was on the server when I tried to connect. But I wasnt given the chance.

The members I invited to play were repeat KR visitors, they were not 1st time visitors. They would have returned.

 #104057  by jawfin
 
Mike was hungry.

The thing is, the definition of recruiting is not what you think it is. Recruiting is telling or tricking someone to leave our server to go to another. Technically, tricking a person to disco can be viewed as recruiting for the real world!

The reason is this, we pay money for this server, we also spend a considerable amount of time, skill and emotion to keep it fun and friendly; and even safe from hackers. We do this so visitors can come and play with us. Asking someone to leave is like real-world theft, we have physically paid for our guests to be here, with actual real money, and our guests are taken from us.

[Miraak to {SLVS}Vol.267]: im bored here. wanna go somewhere else?
[{SLVS}Vol.267 to Miraak]: yeah this server gets boring super easily sometimes
[{SLVS}Vol.267 to Miraak]: where to?
[Miraak to {SLVS}Vol.267]: 108.178.55.237:29070
[Miraak to {SLVS}Vol.267]: ill meet you there
[{SLVS}Vol.267 to Miraak]: wuts the name of the server?
[Miraak to {SLVS}Vol.267]: i think its The Den home of the wolfpack

[Miraak to Creed]: im going to my server come if you want to
[Creed to Miraak]: what is it
[Miraak to Creed]: we gonna have fun
[Miraak to Creed]: 108.178.55.237:29070
[Miraak to Creed]: i think the name is now The Den home of the wolfpack
[Creed to Miraak]: k
[Miraak to Creed]: ill meet you there


[Miraak to Creed]: /connect 108.178.55.237:29070
[Miraak to Creed]: try again we are both there
[Creed to Miraak]: ok i forgot the 55
[Miraak to Creed]: lol
[Creed to Miraak]: is vol still in there
[Miraak to Creed]: cya there



The point I will also make is that you feel you did the right thing, you saw no harm in your action, you felt that ^^^^ what you said was OK to say, and it was no bad in it. Sadly this tells me that in future, in similar circumstances, you'd do the same thing again. In short, that means we cannot trust you on server not to poach our visitors.

I will answer your unasked question, namely "I guess jaw is bent on keeping me out of KR. He banned me from server for bringing ppl to my server to play zombies." I will be out-rightly clear here for you, if I was "bent on keeping you out" I guarantee you, you will not need to "guess". My ban action was ratified by other Council, not that I need to consult to exercise a ban.

Even still, I am leaving the doors open here. But for now as I cannot ascertain your motives, the ban stay put. Please feel free to reply in whatever manner you feel is appropriate. Please don't feel free to back stab us or take your issues to others in the hope of garnering support.

Thank you for posting here, I was getting a bit annoyed you kept taking your issue to the wrong places.

 #104061  by Alduin
 
I have you red handed Impersonating Sakito:

I have Sakitos IP and your IP

You connected under Sakitos name and was there for a few seconds and then left.

I will not post IP's here but if you want the log I will post it.

 #104062  by jawfin
 
Somehow I can see how this will have your ban lifted. LOL. No but anyway, I'm curious as to what you have, because I like to know what bugs are in the JA+ logs, I've found a few, but this is a new one. Appreciated :)

Edit: don't worry about IPs, post, it's fine.

 #104063  by Alduin
 
Lol,

You made a mistake.

you use regular chat instead of sakito's chatstyle from her UU.

That caught my attention so i pulled th elogs and ran your IP to somewhere outside of the US. Saki lives in California.

 #104064  by Falcon
 
Glad to see we could resolve this civilly like adults instead of pointing fingers like children... (<--- sarcasm btw)

Ald, do you really think this is going to help you? Don't answer that please.

 #104065  by Alduin
 
I wasnt looking for it to help me.

I know that I cant do anything to get Jaw in trouble, besides he was doing it for the better of the clan. Hes doing his job.

 #104066  by jawfin
 
You misunderstood me. I did not attempt to imitate Sakito. So I was curious to see what your logs show to make you think that I did. That was what I am curious about, not your misinformed delusions.

Here's a clue though, my IP trace will lead you back to


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 #104067  by Falcon
 
...
Falcon wrote:Don't answer that please.
Alduin wrote:I wasnt looking for it to help me.

I know that I cant do anything to get Jaw in trouble, besides he was doing it for the better of the clan. Hes doing his job.
Okay. Still waiting on that proof btw.

 #104069  by Alduin
 
Edit: Ok, I admit, I spoofed this time. Well as It be 2:40am im going to bed, my eyes are playing tricks on me with those server logs......

I use notepad/wordpad to read server logs and it hurts.... :/

Apologies to Jaw.
Last edited by Alduin on Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:44 am, edited 2 times in total.

 #104071  by Sakito
 
The that's a bad sign saki. Ald, I'm not trying to be offensive, but that blind judgement if yours. The one that said that's a bad sign. That was me again.

Edit: I changed my chat style back on KR1 then came back to your server

 #104073  by jawfin
 
Geez, I wish your English was better, I cannot follow your reasoning. As far as I can tell, that was only Saki on at that time, and she either had UU disabled or it didn't fire on that chat. But here's my proof - my *whole* connection log for that day. I used the name Rufus on your server, but I have no idea what my IP was that day. You'll see I wasn't even on during that conversation. I'm sorry that you do not understand how your logs work, but there it is.

Now as you think its fitting that this, your response, as I said however you feel is appropriate, is to attack us, and obviously without a hint of an apology for your theft - not only can we not trust you on server, but very shortly I sense we will no longer be able to trust you on our forums too.



Edit: I was warned that you would edit your posts once proven wrong, so I had the forethought to share with everyone what you did put before the edit so that our responses make sense, in the interests of being fair.
Aldiun Unedited wrote:This is Saki, Notice the UU prefix and suffix from the start:
^7Skate Person connected under IP -> 50.152.131.232
broadcast: print "^7Skate Person^7 @@@PLENTER\n"
ClientBegin: 0
^7Skate Person USES JA+ PLUGIN v1.4B4. => will be known as a 1.400000 version.
say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7Skate person go to the blue team and hide^0}>»=-
say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7we are playing zombies^0}>»=-
say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7you guys hide and i will find you^0}>»=-
say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7if i find you you can either run or fight^0}>»=-
say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7if you die you become a zombie^0}>»=-

say: ^7Skate Person: ^0«^7.^0»

say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7saki?^0}>»=-
say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7saki i know its you^0}>»=-

broadcast: print "^7Skate Person^7 @@@PLRENAME ^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o\n"

say: ^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o: ^0«^7hi!^0»

This is Jaw:
Mike Tyson is eating food connected under IP -> 58.106.41.24
Mike Tyson is eating food USES JA+ PLUGIN v1.4 beta3. => will be known as a 1.400000 version.

say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7we are playing zombies^0}>»=-

say: Mike Tyson is eating food: Miraak, i preseume i dont need to tell oyu the KR rules about recruiting
say: Mike Tyson is eating food: you are rebanned
say: Mike Tyson is eating food: fool

say: ^7M^0i^7r^0a^7a^0k: ^0-=«<{^7i wasnt^0}>»=-

broadcast: print "Mike Tyson is eating food^7 @@@DISCONNECTED\n"

This is the fake Saki notice there is no UU prefix and or suffix:
^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o connected under IP -> 50.152.131.232
broadcast: print "^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o^7 @@@PLENTER\n"
^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o USES JA+ PLUGIN v1.4B4. => will be known as a 1.400000 version.
say: ^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o: ^1Boba^0Fett's ^3Ultra Utility ^7v3 ^5Beta 17a ^7- ^5U^7ltra^7-^5U^7tility^5.^7com

say: ^0M^7i^0r^7a^0a^7k: ^0-=«<{^7saki^0}>»=-

say: ^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o: ^2Hi

say: ^0M^7i^0r^7a^0a^7k: ^0-=«<{^7i was banned^0}>»=-

say: ^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o: ^2thats a bad thing
broadcast: print "^0-[^7KR^0]-^7S^0a^7ki^0t^7o^7 @@@DISCONNECTED\n"

I know there are ways to manually change your IP to be what you want it to be.... But call it instinct when i noticed that the UU didnt do the chatstyle. Also she wasnt there more than just a few seconds, that was another flag.... And the Padawan player that had the same Ping as Jawfins had left the KR server.
I'm not doing this to be petty, just filling in the gaps. Even your apology is only about misreading your log, not what you did...

 #104108  by Jato
 
Lmao and down falls the dova. Ald i think you should take some time to collect ur thoughts and reason the outcomes before responding again

 #104422  by Bazookapc
 
You have the prettiest server logs I have ever seen. ^_^

 #104432  by Jato
 
Can this be locked pls.

 #104434  by Zabuza
 
~Locked to prevent more unnecessary bumping.

 #104444  by jawfin
 
I had decided to leave this unlocked until Alduin remembered to reply. I'm am guessing he had nothing nice to say, maybe he ran out of bad things to say about us? But I doubt it.

This lack of response shows us just how much you wanted your ban lifted :\ I urge you not to request this again any time soon - I am doing you a favour, I doubt you would want to be at a place where you have decidedly made yourself unwelcome. wtg.