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The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:10 pm
by Frog
Form I: Shicho. ( The way of the Sarlacc )
This is the first taught and most basic forms of the Jedi. It is purposed to disarm opponents and handle multiple foes at once. This being the principle, this form can be molded to fight off generally any large amounts of attacks.
Weakness: One on one saber combat.
Users: Luke Skywalker. Yoda. Obi-wan Kenobi.

Form II: Makashi. ( The way of the Ysalamiri )
This form is praised by many Jedi and Sith by being one of the most elegant and precise combat known. It relies on footwork, generally dodging the opponent's attacks, whereupon the Saber would deal with counter attacks.
It is particularly proficient at preventing the Jedi/Sith from being disarmed.
Weakness: Blaster Bolts. Multiple attackers.
Users: Count Dooku. Darth Vader.

Form III: Soresu. ( The way of the Mynock )
This form is abundantly effective with the Jedi, as it was created to reflect Jedi Philosophy. This is a more defensive form, boasting tight, efficient movements to perform only the most necessary attacks. The Jedi would wait for the attacker to advance, and study his/her opponent while defending. It is effective, most obviously, with Dark Jedi and Sith.
Weakness: somewhat predicable.
Users: Obi-wan. Luke Skywalker.

Form IV: Ataru. ( The way of the Hawkbat )
This form must be performed with Force Powers or a incredibly athletic body. It utilizes large portions of Force energy to aggressively assault their opponent, generally focusing on acrobatics and speed. This is a extremely dangerous style to use, as if you do not defeat your opponent in time, depending on your Force abilities, you will be left exhausted and unable to defend yourself.
Weakness: Too much energy being expelled.
Users: Yoda. Qui-gon Jinn.

Form V: Djem So/Shien ( The way of the Kryat Dragon )
This utilizes Form III to create a counterpart. In Soresu, the Jedi would make only the most practical movements to attack, and remain on the defensive. This form uses that aspect, but adds others to it as well.
This style uses the Force to increase the body's natural strength, making each strike devastating. It is particularly proficient in blocking and counterattacking opponents armed with sabers. This aspect being only the first half, Djem So, Shien, however, mixes things up. It is very good at deflecting blaster bolts, making multitasking easier.
Weakness: Unpredictable strikes. Feints. Force.
Users: Anakin Skywalker. Luke Skywalker.

Form VI: Niman. ( The way of the Rancor )
This form is probably the most simple form available, though far from the least dangerous. This form focuses on utilizing more Force power into their attacks. The idea behind this is that the user must be thinking of two things at once: Force and Lightsaber. For example, if facing off against a opponent too strong, the user would use the Force to shove them away. This form is seen as inferior to others, though no doubt is effective.
Jedi Consular's use this ability the most, though the principles are carried on to users with dual Lightsabers.
Weakness: Unpredictable strikes. Stealth attacks. Dark Force.
users: Darth Maul. General Grievous.

Form VII: Juyo/Vaapad. ( The way of the Vornskr )
This form is deemed the most difficult to learn and master. Juyo focuses on using very strong, slow attacks. Reports say that when opponents dare to block it, they can break their arm, and loosen some of the shoulder, too. This form will take the negative feelings, such as hate and confidence directed towards the Juyo user, and will feed them back, psychologically breaking them. This form is borderline Sith, as it inherits no Jedi code related feats. Mace Windu later developed Vaapad, a style built off of the premise of Juyo. It did essentially the same as Juyo, except that it would take the negative feelings and boost Mace's confidence and physical attributes.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:50 pm
by Thunderbird
Nice introduction. Incredible to think these are ancient forms. In the New Jedi Order era (Jedi Outcast/Academy), there are, canonically, only 3 forms for single (Fast, Medium, Strong), Duals (Jar'kai) and Staff.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:42 pm
by Frog
Thank you! feel free to expand on this if I missed anything. At first I thought that JKA utilizes Juyo ( Red ) Soresu ( Yellow ) and, for lack of a better style, Shicho ( Blue ) Expanded Universe styles are not quite my area of expertise.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:02 pm
by Zaluk
Frog Redstar wrote:Thank you! feel free to expand on this if I missed anything. At first I thought that JKA utilizes Juyo ( Red ) Soresu ( Yellow ) and, for lack of a better style, Shicho ( Blue ) Expanded Universe styles are not quite my area of expertise.
I'm pretty sure all single styles (red, yellow and blue) are Shii-Cho, also Lightsaber Forms are canon, they're not just in the EU. This is proven when the Inquisitor in Star Wars Rebels notes how Kanan's master Depa Billaba used form 3, which Kanan uses to "a ridiculous degree".

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:20 pm
by Frog
Zaluk wrote:
Frog Redstar wrote:Thank you! feel free to expand on this if I missed anything. At first I thought that JKA utilizes Juyo ( Red ) Soresu ( Yellow ) and, for lack of a better style, Shicho ( Blue ) Expanded Universe styles are not quite my area of expertise.
I'm pretty sure all single styles (red, yellow and blue) are Shii-Cho, also Lightsaber Forms are canon, they're not just in the EU. This is proven when the Inquisitor in Star Wars Rebels notes how Kanan's master Depa Billaba used form 3, which Kanan uses to "a ridiculous degree".
I remember that scene, though I had no idea Dave Filonai ( ? ) knew or cared for lightsaber styles. Which Lightsaber form would you guys use?

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:05 pm
by Zaluk
Frog Redstar wrote: I remember that scene, though I had no idea Dave Filonai ( ? ) knew or cared for lightsaber styles. Which Lightsaber form would you guys use?
I find Qui-Gon Jinn's retooled style of Ataru to be quite effective. Ataru was never meant to be a main fighting style, it was only intended to be used in short bursts. What Jinn did was make Ataru more suited to his needs, as at his age his stamina and agility was getting worse. Jinn instead focused more on brute strength, instead of acrobatics, as he was a large and powerfully built man and his strength was considerable. It should be noted though that Jinn was still a capable acrobat. Jinn essentially had all the advantages of textbook Ataru (Great offensive power, effective on 1v1 encounters and hand to hand combat), however he was able to make up for the disadvantages (exhausting, weak against multiple opponents and blaster fire) with his retooled version. I actually see Jinn's style of Ataru as superior to the textbook version.

Shorter answer: I would use Jinn's retooled style of Ataru.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:30 pm
by Frog
I would use mainly Djem So and Soresu. I am a hardcore Jedi and I also think Defense is the best offense.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:29 pm
by Jack Skywalker
I would use a rocket launcher.
Strenght: lightsaber and blaster users get rekt.
Weakness: Force powers.
WARNING - Serious part of the post:
I would use Shicho (good for FFA) and Vaapad.
P.S.: You didn't put the Vaapad weakness. I think it's getting your hand cut by Anakin and being thrown through a window by Darth Sidious' Force lightning.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:30 am
by Frog
Jack Skywalker wrote:I would use a rocket launcher.
Strenght: lightsaber and blaster users get rekt.
Weakness: Force powers.
WARNING - Serious part of the post:
I would use Shicho (good for FFA) and Vaapad.
P.S.: You didn't put the Vaapad weakness. I think it's getting your hand cut by Anakin and being thrown through a window by Darth Sidious' Force lightning.
The weakness is actually feeling no contempt to the Juyo and Vaapad user. This leaves no room for power transference. And a good choice. Obi-wan was praised by Mace Windu as having mastered the style. '' But tell me, Obi-wan, what is better: A man who created a deadly style, or a man who mastered a classic style? ''

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:32 am
by Frog
This is also the reason as to why Obi-wan did not quite fare as well as Anakin against Count Dooku; The style was focused on multiple attacks, whereas Makashi is best for one on one duels.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:16 am
by Zaluk
Kenobi didn't fare as well against Dooku because the Count was more powerful. The Count wasn't able to bypass Obi-Wan's defenses with his lightsaber, because Kenobi was a form 3 Soresu master.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:03 pm
by Frog
Oh. I thought Obi-wan used Shicho for the most part, and that it was also the reason as to why Obi-wan never really made effective attacks. I could've SWORN that was what Mace Windu said to him. It was the Revenge of the Sith book, right?

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:45 pm
by Zaluk
Kenobi was renowned as a great master of Soresu. Not sure where it was said but Mace said Kenobi was THE master of Soresu.

Obviously, Kenobi had great knowledge of Shii-Cho, in fact I think that's what he used at the start of the fight with Dooku in ROTS, but later on he switched to Soresu. Dooku had to resort to force powers to beat Kenobi.

Kenobi also was a master of Ataru, which he used as his main attack method to compensate for the the fact that Soresu offered no offense.

Kenobi was also an expert at Jar'Kai, his best showing with the style being when he held off both Savage Opress and Darth Maul at the same time.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:21 am
by Frog
Jar'kai? I have never heard of this. Also you may be right, because I get Soresu and Shicho mixed up sometimes. Also, is Ataru your MAIN and ONLY style? Are you the kind of guy who likes speed and such? :)

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:13 am
by Zaluk
Frog Redstar wrote:Jar'kai? I have never heard of this. Also you may be right, because I get Soresu and Shicho mixed up sometimes. Also, is Ataru your MAIN and ONLY style? Are you the kind of guy who likes speed and such? :)
Jinn's retooled version yeah.

Re: The seven Lightsaber Forms.

PostPosted:Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:23 pm
by Frog
I have been educated!