Knights Reborn

Need help in translating illogical run-on sentences!

A user of my Solitaire app has reported what he considers to be a bug, only, I don't understand him. As some here are experts of non-punctuation endless sentences, maybe you can translate for me??!? Knowing the game of Klondike solitaire is a requirement

User wrote:
Card. Glitch....when you play 3 cards and use cards from pile cards always fall in same order which the should not especially if you are constantly pulling from pile

Jawfin wrote:
The cards will draw from the same order. Perhaps when you play on a table with a physical deck you play 3 cards individually into your hand thus reversing it's order when placed down - but that is not the traditional way it is played. The deck is to retain its order so that when cards are drawn from it the lay of the 3 card turn is bubbled up (as it were) for the next go through. You'll find all Klondike Solitaire games exhibit that behavior. I hope I managed to explain that correctly!

User wrote:
Same order draw ex ...6.9.A. ....then Q.10. 5. I use the 10 card and continue. Then next draw when pile has started over is that same 6.9.A ..there fore cards are NOT rotating properly

Jawfin wrote:
Just to get the thinking right, from the start there are 24 cards in the remainder of the deck, so say face-down they are from the top: A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 J Q K (of any suit), then another 11 cards after.
So, the turn of the first 3 cards the the waste would be
A 2 3
with the 3 on top, i.e. play available from right to left. Although the A was on the "top" of the face-down pile it becomes the bottom of the 3 cards. You'd have to play off the 3 & 2 to get to the A. So the next turn would be: -
4 5 6
with the same logic. Then
7 8 9
Now say we play the 9, making the 8 available, which we can't use, so we turn again, yielding
10 J Q
So to date our deck is thus: -
A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10 J Q
where the Q is available to play.

Lets assume we go through the rest of the deck, and reset it, the next go though would then be like: -
A 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 10
then
J Q K ...
Where on each turn the 3, 6, 10 and K are the playable cards.

This is the typical play used by all solitaire games I've found, and the first way of playing as mentioned here: -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klondike_(solitaire)#Rules

Now, that doesn't mean it has to be this way! If you can describe how you would like it to play, combined with the fact you bought the game (so allow me to express my heartfelt appreciation for that) then please let me know and I will make it an option for you as you like it (and I'm guessing its the 2nd bullet point from the wikipedia article).

One thing I will have to state though, is if the flow of the cards is changed is I cannot offer the solutions for that. My artificial intelligence which solves the game is extremely complex, and relies heavily on the logic of the turning deck.

User wrote:
Ok you think like 3 take away one that's not still the same 3 if they is 3 card in pile you use one of them or two you will not continue to get the same three cards there should be a card rotation where I get a different set of 3 apparently you're not able to justify the card player glitch

Jawfin wrote:
Please forgive me for it is hard to understand your run-on sentences. The way I am trying to read what you are saying is that you are getting the same 3 cards even after you have used one of them. So in my example where I used the 9, with the next turn through the deck you would be seeing that 9 again? Which would mean that 9 is now in two places - still in the deck and where it was put?

Again sorry for not understanding.

I'm sure he has a point, I just don't know what the bloody hell it is

I have no clue about solitare, but in that last paragraph (which I'm assuming is the one you don't get) I think he's saying that he might use up 1 or 2 of the three cards he's dealt, but then next time the cards come round, they're in the same order? I've re-written what I think he means in plain English:


User wrote:
Ok, here's an example of what I'm saying: if I use a card from the three dealt to me, then they won't be in the same order on the next rotation. If there are 3 cards in a pile, and you use up one or two, surely you shouldn't get the exact same three cards in the same order next rotation? I think there should be a different card rotation each time, so that next time the same position of cards come back round in the deck, I'll have a different set of cards in a different order.

Hope that helps Jawfin.

Ka'Taliq wrote: User wrote:
Ok, here's an example of what I'm saying: if I use a card from the three dealt to me, then they won't be in the same order on the next rotation. If there are 3 cards in a pile, and you use up one or two, surely you shouldn't get the exact same three cards in the same order next rotation? I think there should be a different card rotation each time, so that next time the same position of cards come back round in the deck, I'll have a different set of cards in a different order.

Basically this is what he's saying, but his logic is seriously flawed. He says he draws 3 cards (say a 2 3 4) and can't use any of them so draws again (say a 5 6 7) and plays the 6. So then when he draws again (pretend there are only 6 cards total) he draws a 2 3 4 but is mad because he thinks taking the 6 away should have affected the order of the other cards...when it clearly won't.

Basically, if there's a pile of cards, and I go to the halfway point of the pile and shuffle the bottom half, the pattern of the top half is unchanged and will stay in the same pattern when I go through the pile again. But he thinks the top should be changed by virtue of the bottom half's being changed.

What MM said

Yea, I'm getting the feeling that if he plays card near the end of the deck he expect the cards at the front to get shuffled. With solitaire if you don't play anything off the deck and go through it, then it'll be the exact same next time through. Also, if you do play out of it, only the cards past that play will get the available (topmost) card shifted. Even in his first example of a draw of Q 10 5 he can't play the 10, only the 5 - unless he played the 5 to get to the 10... Which means given no cards were played before that flip, what he'll get next time will be that same Q followed by whatever the bottom 2 cards on the next turn would be - and if that's the end of the deck then only 1 card would turn, the Q, and it would be face-up.


Edit: Stupid page throw, this story starts here!

Theres no glitch, ive played your solitare game several times and never run into the issue. I would guess he just doesn't understand the concept or is new and has gotten his deck down to a select few and is getting mad bc hes getting the same cards back in a rotation hes already played.

This isn't about my apps, but something Key put me on to. JKA running on Android devices, haha!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... beloko.jk3
I bought it, and connected to KR But I can't see me winning any duels with it!

Lol goodbye battery

So when is this going to develop into Skynet is the question?

i know im necroposting, but i gotta put mine in for lulz, android 4.2.2 - rca rct6272w23

8 gb storage
1 gb ram
cortex a9 dual @ 1 GHz]
mali 400 GPU

Lothar wrote:So when is this going to develop into Skynet is the question?

it happens when somebody makes a debian cluster with these badboys here, lol

http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prd ... 8733896281

i just wanted to post the latest update to my solitaire app. Key designed this deck, screenie: -



If you want to get this app it's here! https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... n.sol3dtab

Off the subject though but it's Android related. I recommend you download Lookout app. Anti-virus security and not to mention it can track your cellphone and take the thief's picture upon stolen and you can track it via website too! It'll show you their location on map! You can turn on the siren and lock the cellphone and wipe data if needed. Your choice but it is a handy app so nobody can jack your cell lol.

7,370 reviews! That's awesome Jawfin!

How did you get the app on Google Play? I have something I am working on - and I am thinking it might be a good idea (for CV and whatnot) to get a few apps on Google Play - however I am worried if it costs much

Do I have to register a company? etc.

Pretty sure you just need to prove who you are. I got my account years ago, back when Android 1.5 was released - I'd say they are probably stricter now with all the malware around. For me it cost $25 and I didn't need a company or business to register.

Feedback on icon. I figured I'd throw this in here as I'm not sure how it looks! Google have changed their parameters on how the launcher icon can look, so this fits their new regime - only I don't know if I like it. Like the colors or the size of the raised white section within the green. Any thoughts from the graphically minded?

Hm. Personal opinion, it looks great, although something about the design just strikes me as odd.. I don't have any useful feedback on it, since I'm not exactly sure why I see it as sorta odd. It could be the bent square base? Maybe something about the lightning? Not entirely sure. I can say however that it does look good.

To me the white section doesn't looked raised. Just looks off shaded

Yup, well to explain, which I should have done - the current icon is here: -
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... n.sol3dtab
But by Google's latest standard it has to be a square.
https://www.google.com/design/spec/styl ... duct-icons

So without wanting to lose it's original feel I just boxed it. The lightning bolt is for the Pro version, the free version (in that link) does not have the bolt.

I only meant it was raised in that I put a shadow on the hi-res store icon, but I removed the shadow for all the smaller sizes as it was too busy. Also, you'll note the shading itself is turned off on the lower-res images, as it just becomes noise at that level!

Just downloaded it and I must say it's a well done app! Gz, Jaw Btw. Is it only me or the "wrong move" sound sounds like jka shield/ammo stashes use? ;D

About the icon - i think this lightning just doesnt fit in there. It kind of breaks composition in my opinion. (I know it's for pro, but imho the free's icon looks way better)

(500k dl's, daaaam nice!)

@down (Even more daaam nice then )

The true current download count for that app is 927,194 - about to break the 1 million mark, or as some keen observer put it: seldom downloads.

There has been something I have been working towards with the Google Play team, to have my Solitaire 3D app (link) featured on the Play store. This week this is happening, it started yesterday, I just wanted a day to finish so I could process the result of it. In one day it was downloaded 28,273 times (refers to dictionary for meaning of seldom). Right now, which is 6 hours into a new day, its already on 12,500 downloads - so maybe 50,000 at the end of today? This means it'll probably cross the million mark today or tomorrow.

Here it is on the play store, bottom row, second icon: -




I suspect it is also listed in other areas of the Play Store, I just didn't find them!

Great job Jawfin! Genius stuff right there!

Just downloaded the app Jaw, plays well on my phone, and looks very nice. Over 500, 000 downloads already, that is pretty seldom ahah!

Since this topic was bumped after 5 years I would just like to say one thing.

Android for life, apple can die a horrifying death with no respawn.

I'll support you too Jaw. Downloading now.