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 #159658  by Thunderbird
 
If you clicked on that thread, I hope for you it is because you saw the movie!

I just saw the new star wars movie : The Last Jedi and I am lost for words.

It felt like the format was Lord of the Rings style, very long and always something to show. I was clearly not disappointed! I like the fact that the Outro song for that movie is the same as that of Revenge of the Sith.

The way it was produced was like a succession of events! Clearly stepped up the game compared to The Force Awakens. I can hardly see how episode 9 could ever beat TLJ.

I like the way Finn seems less cocky and more modest, yet he does not fear anything in the fight!
 #159670  by Mnsomc
 
Just came back from watching it too. It was much more entertaining than what I thought it would be. I can't believe Snoke's rule ended that simply - perhaps like many others, I believed he'll be the "Palpatine" of this trilogy, but clearly they're taking a different turn, which is impressive and pleasantly surprising given the criticism that EP7 was too similar to EP4.

I'm still not quite sure whether Snoke's background was revealed enough or whether it will ever be important. Same for Rey's parents. Both were of high interest before EP8 was released, and it seems like they just pretty much went "pfft, you don't need to know that."
 #159674  by Thunderbird
 
Mnsomc wrote:Just came back from watching it too. It was much more entertaining than what I thought it would be. I can't believe Snoke's rule ended that simply - perhaps like many others, I believed he'll be the "Palpatine" of this trilogy, but clearly they're taking a different turn, which is impressive and pleasantly surprising given the criticism that EP7 was too similar to EP4.

I'm still not quite sure whether Snoke's background was revealed enough or whether it will ever be important. Same for Rey's parents. Both were of high interest before EP8 was released, and it seems like they just pretty much went "pfft, you don't need to know that."
Most of the fans were wondering these same two questions about both Rey and Snoke's Origins, but hey! It looks kinda cool to see more of the rule of two. When Snoke's self confidence betrayed himself. He did not realise he was the one Kylo wanted to kill, the Apprentice becoming the master. So Smart! Important character suddenly dies. Game Of Thrones style.

I like how it started with couple of funny jokes and comical situations, tho.

The ending song before the credits is the same as the one in Revenge of the Sith. At first, shortly after Luke's birth. At last, shortly after Luke's 'death' and becoming one with the Force. Is that Luke's theme?
 #159678  by Buffy's Shadow
 
Overall, I was very impressed with the film, much more so than I was with Force Awakens or Rogue One. This one felt very much like a well rounded piece, and I wish we had the same director returning for Episode 9, instead of JJ.

The fight with Rey and Kylo fighting Snoke's bodyguards was fantastic as well, and I was really hoping Ben was coming back to the light, but I think that's gonna wait until 9 if it happens at all.
 #159679  by Mnsomc
 
Thunderbird wrote: Important character suddenly dies. Game Of Thrones style.

I like how it started with couple of funny jokes and comical situations, tho.
I thought of GoT the instant that happened, too. Honestly, it felt like Luke's death was also "too easy" but I'm patiently waiting for more to unfold as the directors seemed to have somewhat reinvented the way the Force works - or at least the way we thought it would work. So many scenes - off the top of my head, Leia's "Force Pull" towards the ship, the materialization of Force Ghost (from Yoda hitting Luke, Luke giving that bracelet to Leia which soon dematerialized, etc.), the kid using the Force in the end, Kylo and Rey talking through the space (at least this wasn't entirely new, but honestly I thought this was more of a father-son thing between Vader and Luke).

Like you mentioned, I also liked how the movie contained many jokes that weren't too corny. Seems like this is the case for many of the super hero movies as well, and I like that trend (that scene in EP7 where BB8 lights on his lighter to resemble a thumb up still cracks me up).

Like Buffy said, I also enjoyed the fighting scene of Rey and Kylo against the bodyguards, although I was hoping there would also be something epic between Luke and Kylo in the end (which in hindsight probably wasn't necessary given how Luke was just there to stall Kylo). Above all, I am really impressed with Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley's actions - can't wait to see more epic battles later.
 #159681  by Zaluk
 
I just got back from watching it. It was ok. I think I prefer it over TFA, as it wasn't just Empire reskinned. This movie brought something new to Star Wars, rather than something we'd seen before.

Things I liked:

Mark Hamill stole the movie. His performance was easily the best and he stole every scene he was in. I also liked the ending of his character. It was really well done. Him looking out at the twin suns as he realises there's a new hope, similar to how HE was the new hope when looking out at the twin suns in the first movie. It was like he knew it was time to pass the torch, so he decided his time in the galaxy needed to come to an end. It was great, I really liked that.

Ever since watching the trailer for the movie, I had a strong fear that they'd go down a very different road. I thought for sure they were going to make it so there wouldn't be Jedi anymore, instead it'd be focusing on a more grey direction. And for a while I thought that'd be the case, even when watching the movie. Everyone's perspective and philosophy seemed warped to me, I was legit thinking "Ya'll need some Bruce Lee philosophy in your life" for a large amount of time. When Yoda showed up though, I knew it'd all be fine. Yoda for me was easily my favourite part of the movie.

I was really impressed with Adam Driver's acting. He was great and I now have a greater appreciation for Kylo as a character. I don't at all support his motives, but I think he's a good character.

EDIT: loved, loved, loved Leia in this film. Her use of the force is so unique. She's so non combative in her use. When she used the force to survive the vacuum of space I thought that was beautiful. That and the shot of Luke becoming one with the force were really beautiful moments.

Things I didn't like:

Daisy Ridley's performance. Oh goodness. I don't mind her character but, Daisy's acting was really, really poor and for me it stood out, especially when she was acting alongside Adam Driver or Mark Hamill....which were the large majority of her scenes...

Although I like Luke's ending and Mark's performance, I generally don't like what they've done with Luke. He reached clarity at the end of 6, he was supposed to be the quintessential Jedi. Luke shouldn't have been tempted to kill a boy and he shouldn't have turned into a hermit after one failure. To me, it made the original trilogy feel quite redundant.

There were a couple funny scenes in this movie, but for me the comedy largely missed. The humour wasn't subtle, it wasn't witty, instead it was lazy and predictable.

In my opinion, John Boyega is quite a good actor. He should have had more to do. I feel like Finn and Poe's roles should have been reversed.

I hate Poe Dameron. His character is very typical and isn't very creative. He annoyed me with his utter stupidity.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, Snoke and Phasma were completely forgettable. They were poorly used. Barely had more than one scene.

It also bothered me when Admiral Holdo said 'Godspeed'. When earth sayings like that are used in Star Wars it kinda breaks some of the immersion for me.

Also, WHERE ARE THE KNIGHTS OF REN!?!

Overall it was an enjoyable movie, but perhaps the biggest crime for me was that it didn't feel like 'star wars'. And honestly, neither did TFA. I don't know if it's because George Lucas doesn't have much of a presence anymore, but I just don't get the same feeling I get when watching any of the other Star Wars movies. Rogue One was forgivable for that, as it was standalone and not part of the main saga. As of right now, I'd give it a 7/10, but I can't help but feel in a few months time my rating will probably be lower than that. Only time will tell though.
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 #159682  by Mnsomc
 
Zaluk wrote: Although I like Luke's ending and Mark's performance, I generally don't like what they've done with Luke. He reached clarity at the end of 6, he was supposed to be the quintessential Jedi. Luke shouldn't have been tempted to kill a boy and he shouldn't have turned into a hermit after one failure. To me, it made the original trilogy feel quite redundant.
This really bothered me too - it just didn't make much sense to me.
 #159694  by Falcon
 
I saw it Thursday night and after thinking about it here's what I've concluded -

Snoke dying by Kylo's hand did really catch me off guard, though in a good way. I never really cared about Snoke, and now I think they may have been using him as a placeholder for Kylo.

I REALLY wish we had gotten more time for Rey/Luke and less time for Finn/Rose. I found myself a couple of times being like "Okay...let's get back to the much more interesting story please. We know the First Order are the bad guys, don't need to see animal abuse to prove that." And I think Luke should've been given more story than he got, maybe save his death for Ep 9. As you guys have said - he was a Jedi Knight who had gone to his more rage-induced state in Ep 6 but still spat in the face of the dark lord of Sith himself. Having said that, I do like that he went the way of Yoda and just died on his own rather than being killed by Kylo.

I think Kylo and Rey talking through the force throughout the film was really cool. They're constantly trying to turn each other, and even though they are the hero and villain of the films, they talked as though they could be friends. Maybe a romance will happen between the two in Ep 9?

I think the effects were the best they've ever been, maybe in any movie I've seen. Ever scene felt like it was bursting with color. Very impressed by that.

So in conclusion - is it my favorite Star Wars movie? No. Did I enjoy it? Oh yes.

Also, I wonder what's going to happen with Leia...
 #159695  by MysticalPotato
 
I just came back from seeing it and overall it was a very good Star Wars movie, it lived up to what I was expecting from the continuation of the saga. It wasn't a copy like the force awakens (though I did find it entertaining) and it is slowly building something different that I'm looking forward to see in the future. I loved Adam Driver's performance, to me he is the best character of this new era, totally steals the show. I am so happy they killed Snoke and made Kylo take charge of the first order, he's like a stubborn impulsive kid with a machine gun, you don't know where he is going to take it.
I was very pleased with Daisy's performance and enjoyed a lot his connection with Adam's character.
Mark Hamil was very good too, although I didn't like he was cut off. I'd have loved to see more of him.
I didn't like Finn and Rose first 20 minutes, but managed to make me buy the love story at the end. when I was seeing Luke teaching Rey the ways of the jedi I was so interested, and then cutting back to Finn and Rose being on a space casino, so off.
Carrie Fisher (RIP)... I didn't like any of her scenes, she couldn't deliver any line properly. She was off all the time, and that flying shi** didn't really help, it just made me laugh.

So yeah guys, It was a relief not to leave the theater disappointed! :D
 #159703  by Clank
 
Enjoyed it the first two thirds of the movie but afterwards it just lost me and kinda got annoyed on how they did some things. It feelt like there was some more copy paste action going on like TFA. The comical relief moments were fun at the start but after a while they kinda pulled me away from the seriousness of the plot. The shots tho were amazing the cinematography was real candy. Overall I left the cinema pretty disappointent and somewhat tilted
 #159705  by MasterM
 
I thought the movie was ok. There were a few parts I liked. There were many parts I didn't really like. Zal pretty much summed it up for me
Zaluk wrote: Overall it was an enjoyable movie, but perhaps the biggest crime for me was that it didn't feel like 'star wars'. And honestly, neither did TFA. I don't know if it's because George Lucas doesn't have much of a presence anymore, but I just don't get the same feeling I get when watching any of the other Star Wars movies.
 #159706  by Mnsomc
 
Came back from watching it for the second time. I still like it, but many of the criticisms sound valid as well. Still can't figure out what Poe, Finn, and Rose's roles in this movie are. Like Yoda mentioned, failure is a great teacher and ESB was also about failures - as a second installment of the movie perhaps this one was supposed to be about the learning process as well.

And poor Hux. I could never understand how he got promoted to his position in the first place.
 #159720  by Ted
 
I've seen this 2 times now. I don't want to go against public opinion but I didn't enjoy this movie all that much.

It was a beautiful film effects-wise and visually stunning. As Fal said, it was probably the best looking movie thus far in the star wars franchise. It also had probably one of, if not the best, fight scene in the whole franchise (Rey & Kylo vs Praetorians).

Things I liked:
Reylo
Effects/fights
Yoda Returning
Adam Driver and Daisey's acting

Things I didn't like:
Snoke's demise
Luke's character got butchered.
Leia turning into Superman
Phasma's character useless
Knights of Ren have just .... disappeared??
Finn & Rose's storyline just bored me and could have been pulled out of the movie completely.
Comedy seemed overly done and fell flat a lot.

I may be over critical of this but there was just far too much in this movie that annoyed me and the little brief good bits don't save the movie for me.
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 #159728  by MasterM
 
I wasn't even a huge fan of the fights and big action set pieces - I mean they were by and large just passable. Nothing really stood out to me except the jump to light speed through the other ships, which was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen
 #159732  by Yama
 
Misdirection in the trailers, None of your questions going in answered. visually amazing. As some have said there was a 30 min period that I did not feel I was watching a star wars movie. Seems Disney design on star wars is to keep you wanting more. Keep opening that wallet to find out more! its kinda like a page book out of the EA marketing strategy.
I did love Adam driver. He really seems to be the character.

The first movie I ever saw in a cinema was return of the jedi. WHAT THE HELL DID THEY DO TO LUKE SKYWALKER? I mean the expanded universe was a little wierd but luke was always BIG JEDI PIMP. He should have negotiated his character, call kennedy and been like 'so who is your next choice for luke skywalker?

The big question for me was who rey's parents are and so much has passed without an answer. Its almost like i dont care now who rey's parents are anymore.

In saying all that the last hour of the movie was still kinda enjoyable. Better than awakens in the mere fact it was original.

Episode 9 better be epic.

If they butcher han solo next year im out.
 #159736  by Sakito
 
Saw the movie two days ago. The way Snoke died was just like, "stab....slice!!!!!!". Luke becoming one with the force.
So many theories that were made that I've seen, just the movie made me completely disregard everything. Snoke died too easily imo.
That leads me to believe that he's not really dead or maybe Kylo will get something far more powerful in episode 9.
 #159738  by Mnsomc
 
Sakito Sho-Ryu-Ken wrote: Snoke died too easily imo. That leads me to believe that he's not really dead or maybe Kylo will get something far more powerful in episode 9.
I placed a wager with a friend today that Snoke's background wasn't revealed much because he'll actually come back (or someone from wherever he's from) in EP9. The friend thought nah, Snoke's death and background will be left as they are. The winner gets to say neener neener to the other's face.
 #159741  by Ted
 
Mnsomc wrote:
Sakito Sho-Ryu-Ken wrote: Snoke died too easily imo. That leads me to believe that he's not really dead or maybe Kylo will get something far more powerful in episode 9.
I placed a wager with a friend today that Snoke's background wasn't revealed much because he'll actually come back (or someone from wherever he's from) in EP9. The friend thought nah, Snoke's death and background will be left as they are. The winner gets to say neener neener to the other's face.
Snoke's background and power etc will most likely be revealed in the novels to come but probably not confirmed in next movie. I don't see him coming back Ep9, he would be a placeholder for Kylo only.
 #159742  by MysticalPotato
 
Mnsomc wrote:
Sakito Sho-Ryu-Ken wrote: Snoke died too easily imo. That leads me to believe that he's not really dead or maybe Kylo will get something far more powerful in episode 9.
I placed a wager with a friend today that Snoke's background wasn't revealed much because he'll actually come back (or someone from wherever he's from) in EP9. The friend thought nah, Snoke's death and background will be left as they are. The winner gets to say neener neener to the other's face.
I agree that his death was a bit too easy, but despite how powerful he was, Darth Sidious died by being grabbed and thrown away >.<
I thought he was a bad copy of Sidious and that pissed me off, never really cared much about him because there was nothing to know, the typical established villain with no motivation other than "to rule the galaxy"
 #159746  by Mandalorian
 
I personally loved the movie despite two big things:

The child insert humour, where they randomly cut from the story to show a quick gag,
and
The animal abuse by the First Order thing.

The second I saw the animal abuse story thing I was like "uugh, are we seriously doing this?" I hate things that try to give that "be nice to poor animals" lesson. We get it, its bad, stop doing it.

I didn't mind Fin and Rose, quite the contrary I liked them as a pair, excluding that dumb animal plot.
Snoke dying was a shock in that "huh, I didn't expect him to die this early, considering how all powerful he is", but I accept it because the scene that followed it was great, and the relationship between Rey and Kylo was cool.

But yeah, less child humour and less animal abuse next time, JJ.
 #159748  by Samurai X
 
7/10

I felt bad for not being too excited after the movie but it was good.

I feel that they left a lot of good history for other medias, like novels, games, comics... It was a sad choice and feels like loot boxes from EA lol

I'm gonna say only about the Snoke here, if we analyze the original trilogy only by the movies, ask yourself the question "who is that guy ruling Darth Vader?". Darth Sidious has no back history until the prequels, and if I'm not wrong, his name was not mentioned on the original trilogy. I'm not defending his death, I was a little disappointed bc I'd like to see why he has that anger on Luke, probably they fought back in the days and Luke won?

For me Luke shows the most impressive force power/control in the galaxy, based on the movies. He creates an ilusion for everybody on that planet, including force sensitives, and he was far, far away... He was badass! Worthy end!

Just to add finally. A franchise that had Darth Maul, Count Dooku, General Grevious, Darth Vader, Darth Sidious... c'mon... Kylo Ren, I feel sorry for you but you are just a spoiled child with no real motivation
 #159750  by Buffy's Shadow
 
Falcon wrote:I saw it Thursday night and after thinking about it here's what I've concluded -

Snoke dying by Kylo's hand did really catch me off guard, though in a good way. I never really cared about Snoke, and now I think they may have been using him as a placeholder for Kylo.

I REALLY wish we had gotten more time for Rey/Luke and less time for Finn/Rose. I found myself a couple of times being like "Okay...let's get back to the much more interesting story please. We know the First Order are the bad guys, don't need to see animal abuse to prove that." And I think Luke should've been given more story than he got, maybe save his death for Ep 9. As you guys have said - he was a Jedi Knight who had gone to his more rage-induced state in Ep 6 but still spat in the face of the dark lord of Sith himself. Having said that, I do like that he went the way of Yoda and just died on his own rather than being killed by Kylo.

I think Kylo and Rey talking through the force throughout the film was really cool. They're constantly trying to turn each other, and even though they are the hero and villain of the films, they talked as though they could be friends. Maybe a romance will happen between the two in Ep 9?

I think the effects were the best they've ever been, maybe in any movie I've seen. Ever scene felt like it was bursting with color. Very impressed by that.

So in conclusion - is it my favorite Star Wars movie? No. Did I enjoy it? Oh yes.

Also, I wonder what's going to happen with Leia...
I know they've said they will not be using a CGI Leia like they did with Tarkin in Rogue One. She'll likely be mentioned and have an off-screen presence, since Carrie passed.
Clank wrote:Enjoyed it the first two thirds of the movie but afterwards it just lost me and kinda got annoyed on how they did some things. It feelt like there was some more copy paste action going on like TFA. The comical relief moments were fun at the start but after a while they kinda pulled me away from the seriousness of the plot. The shots tho were amazing the cinematography was real candy. Overall I left the cinema pretty disappointent and somewhat tilted
If you're referring to the middle portion at the Casino with Rose and Finn, that wasn't the First Order. That was a stab at the people who get rich on selling to both sides of the war.
Samurai X wrote:I feel that they left a lot of good history for other medias, like novels, games, comics... It was a sad choice and feels like loot boxes from EA lol
As someone who just recently had an argument with a friend over this, I'll paraphrase my argument. Every film has done this. Episode V and VI especially. If they put everything in the film, it'll either A.) Mess up the pacing of the movie entirely, or B.) Make the movies around Lord of the Rings length. The meat of the Star Wars Universe has always been the EU.
 #159777  by Clank
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymt4lpzv62g

People may not like him but he did sum up a lot of good points myself agreeing on all of them

also what Mark Hamill has to say about it (language discretion)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw0IR6fJlV0&t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0biqMZrxJ0

The whole thing is just frustrating